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personnally, i don't pick on anyone specific, that's defenitly not what i like to do and you all know that...

i've always done it all by myself and feel good this way...just trying to participate to this discussion on this public forum, can't we just argue some points? this is why i never post in those peewee forums, cause everyone, well not everyone, gets pissed off for no reason and blablabla ( i know some of you will like this argument )...

as you said, all that matters is that the game gets balanced...

While I am probably not the best person to speak on this subject, I do have a little insight into this situation...

When TIA went Gold, they were put in the same conference as my Bears, but then an admin came along and said I couldn't own more than one team in the same conference, so he swapped my team with another so TIA was moved to the other Gold conference. What this told me is that GLB doesn't care if you own two teams in the same league, but they can't be in the same conference.

Considering GLB allows ownership of two teams per league as long as they are in different conferences, I think the same rule should be applied to coordinators. Basically a person shouldn't run the offense or defense of more than one team in a conference. I don't think people would care if a person was the OC on one team and the DC on another within the same conference because that is on two different sides of the ball.

In the end, is the current GLB rule fair, no, but as long as it's allowed by GLB, people, including myself, will take advantage of it until a push is made to change it to one per league and to include coordinators as well as owners.

Originally posted by Gerr
When TIA went Gold, they were put in the same conference as my Bears, but then an admin came along and said I couldn't own more than one team in the same conference, so he swapped my team with another so TIA was moved to the other Gold conference. What this told me is that GLB doesn't care if you own two teams in the same league, but they can't be in the same conference.

huh. I knew you got TIA switched...but didn't realize the admin's officially recognize a one-per-conference rule. That's cool.

Originally posted by The Eagle
huh. I knew you got TIA switched...but didn't realize the admin's officially recognize a one-per-conference rule. That's cool.



I did ask them if it's alright to have two teams in PWG as long as they are in different conferences and was told yes. However, the rule is different for the WL as they only allow one team per league at that level. While I am not 100% sure, I think the one per league rule is unique to the WL and for all other leagues, including PW, it's the one per conference. This covers ownership only, I don't think they have anything in place that covers coordinators.

Originally posted by The Eagle
huh. I knew you got TIA switched...but didn't realize the admin's officially recognize a one-per-conference rule. That's cool.



Why is that cool? I'd rather have both his teams in the same conferrence, as at least he wouldn't have the potential to play himself in the league championship. Just my $0.02

Originally posted by The Eagle
The bottom line is this: GLB allows us to own and coordinate multiple teams in one conference. Don't pick on Riz for being one of the many to take advantage of this rule.

A lot of suggestions have been posted as to how to change things to improve the balance of the game, including limiting owners and/or coordinators to one team per league. Talk to Gerr and then go stir up the suggestions forum to try to fix it (ahem..."Do or do not. There is no try." doubly fitting considering your GLB account name ).

The points Bevo brought up are pretty consistent with Bort's point of view...and unless somebody makes an argument that he finds compelling, his current opinion is pretty much all that matters.

Rizyx is a cool guy - he has a team in my league and we talk in our league forum plenty - i'm arguing a particular angle and he posted his thoughts in the thread so he's fair game...just like I am.

As I said before, we can make this league flourish and be a fun place to play for many people - or we can wait until we are told by Bort to stop doing something that's obviously wrong and is hurting the Pee Wee game.

Originally posted by Gerr
While I am probably not the best person to speak on this subject, I do have a little insight into this situation...

When TIA went Gold, they were put in the same conference as my Bears, but then an admin came along and said I couldn't own more than one team in the same conference, so he swapped my team with another so TIA was moved to the other Gold conference. What this told me is that GLB doesn't care if you own two teams in the same league, but they can't be in the same conference.

Considering GLB allows ownership of two teams per league as long as they are in different conferences, I think the same rule should be applied to coordinators. Basically a person shouldn't run the offense or defense of more than one team in a conference. I don't think people would care if a person was the OC on one team and the DC on another within the same conference because that is on two different sides of the ball.

In the end, is the current GLB rule fair, no, but as long as it's allowed by GLB, people, including myself, will take advantage of it until a push is made to change it to one per league and to include coordinators as well as owners.

Personally, even if the person was OC on one team and DC on another is poses issues - whats happens when the teams play each other - you'd be fighting yourself.

I find it bizarre that people actually want to do this (co-ord multiple teams in the same conference) - although I do understand some people are just helping out its definitely an odd situation.

From what you say GLB are keen to avoid these types of conflicts with their apparent rules regarding ownership of two teams in the same conference - I think it goes against the spirit of that rule by having co-ords doing the exact same thing.

I've already stated I can run an offense, I'm jsut currently not. My DC of many seasons has been absent the better part of the last 2-3 of them. You'll not guilt me into thinking I've done soemthing wrong by bringing on other coordinators to help me right the ship and give fresh perspectives on all aspects of the game.

What you are insinuating is that we (and all Gold coordinators from the sounds of it) would collude to alter the outcomes of games and we all know that collusion is a no no. Proof or stfu. What you are describing jsut doesn't and afaik never has happened.

All this talk makes me wonder if ManOgwaR is going to turn his Silver team over to someone else? I remember him being adamant that "Gold Coordinators should not be eating from the trough that is Silver". His "morals" didn't cause him to boot his HC when he became the OC for SBWL, but maybe his dive into Gold Coordinating will shake his sense of morals and he'll get rid of his Silver team.

This of course didn't work with Gerr, but maybe ManOgwaR has more invested in his morals.


My point here isn't to bash Gerr or ManOgwaR. It's to point out that this preaching being done by Empire_Strikes_Back is old news, and to date, nobody that made a stink about the "fairness" of it was willing to do the "right thing" when they were in that position.

Everyone has their opinions as to what's fair and what is not, but until rules are put into place that force people to do what's fair, people will do what's best for themselves, fair or unfair.

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
thanks for the votes of confidence guys!

Good to see you in the Gold DC ranks again

Most of these posts exceed my attention span

I buy 10 silver teams and boost them all, landing 4 in Gold, then what? Rule change maybe?

Originally posted by LordEvil
I buy 10 silver teams and boost them all, landing 4 in Gold, then what? Rule change maybe?

You wouldn't be able to since the current rule says only one team per conference, so that's a max of 2 teams in PWG. As far as being an OC or DC, there is no rule, so as far as the admins care, knock yourself out.