Warrior General Games

Originally posted by gocincinnati
Originally posted by ManOgwaR

Originally posted by gocincinnati


One often hears comparisons. "That Pee Wee Gold -- it's like the World League, man. Maybe tougher."

I don't know about all that, but one area that seems to be beyond doubt is the league forum.

Pee Wee Gold or World League, in both cases the league forum is chock full of sniveling buttheads, each convinced he is the funniest poster in the history of the InterWebz, whining at the tiniest perceived injustice and viciously attacking anyone with the temerity to gainsay them to the slightest degree.

Seriously, some of you people need to get laid in the worst way.

hey man there may be some truth there, but this raises the question of why you find the time to participate innit and frequent these forums? ...and what is your perception of yourself? ...do you consider yourself a part of this, or do you believe that you are above that?!? ...hey I like most of your posts and I think that you add some real value to the forums, but I also believe that this to be an exaduration, coz how can anyone be viciously attacked on these forums for starters, and if so, how do they get themselves to be attacked in this way?!? ...i think you see the point! ...we as forum dwellers, are all a part of these things and we all contribute to them, or we wouldn't be frequenting these forums and participating in them! ...we all embrace it, so we are a part of it, which makes us as bad as each other!

Still bitter about the Cows, I see...

nah, not at all! ...I enjoyed the rivalry that we had

...I also miss the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs on the forums! ...there is nothing that I am bitter about there ...I consider you guys as friends! ...I wish that you guys had of stayed around in peewee

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
Originally posted by gocincinnati

Still bitter about the Cows, I see...

nah, not at all! ...I enjoyed the rivalry that we had

...I also miss the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs on the forums! ...there is nothing that I am bitter about there ...I consider you guys as friends! ...I wish that you guys had of stayed around in peewee

Quite a few of the core Cows guys are on this Addict Nation team. Doubt we'll be MOOOOing much though. It's just not the same.

Im glad you guys are here tbqh, more guys with multiple perspectives

this thread is dumb

you can try again in 40 days if you fuck up a PW team.

You dont get 400+ days back if you fuck up a player or stragety you want in WL.

And then there is the addition of extra stragety. VAs, AEQ, etc it is not comparable.

and fwiw I have DC'd some games in WL last season and maybe PWG but not too sure tbh

"this thread is dumb"...

You spelled strategy wrong, twice.

Just saying.

I think the main difference is that WL can be won or lost based on builds alone, whereas in PW Gold, builds are going to be close enough for the most part that AIs and gameplanning has a much larger role in success.

I've never run a WL team, or even a high-level team for that matter, but I do have players up there and that's just the impression I get from the upper leagues.

dyslexia?

Well dumb is as dumb does...this thread was about the forums, and the apparent complaining in both world league and Peewee gold...and needing to get laid

Originally posted by UCLA Jeremy
"this thread is dumb"...

You spelled strategy wrong, twice.

Just saying.

cool. Im using my phone.

Id like to see any PW coach try their hand in a WL game where builds are MUCH more diverse and tagging combinations can win or lose a game

Originally posted by Bevo05
LOL depends on what you consider WL talent. But if you consider it someone who won Pro League. Went to WL went 8-8 missed the playoffs by one game. Got demoted. Then returned to Pro to make it back to the WL the following season. Then had a miserable season at 4-12. If that is considered WL talent...........................Then yeah I have seen someone do it......


Getting little ahead of yourself? You are not a WL guy, you are closer to a PW guy. You played in PW for like 7-8 seasons and only 2 seasons in WL. Your earlier seasons in PW gold was not very good and probably worse than you were in WL. I know I poke fun of Gerr all the time but that's for chuckles and giggles but the fact is you haven't really won anything until you merged with the 85' Bears.

This is the only thing I agree with Gerr on anything but he is right, I never seen a WL guy do well. In fact they normally do horribly since they just don't know how things work in PW and coordinating plays a larger role here. My take (this is to everyone): it's just different, can't objectively say which is better. I think PW requires a lot more skills but that's just me.

Originally posted by junglejuice
I think the main difference is that WL can be won or lost based on builds alone, whereas in PW Gold, builds are going to be close enough for the most part that AIs and gameplanning has a much larger role in success.

I've never run a WL team, or even a high-level team for that matter, but I do have players up there and that's just the impression I get from the upper leagues.

This

I think some guy mentioned casual league being same as PW but if you really had to compare, I think there are a lot more common in WL/CL than PW/CL.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1570164

I was looking at this game and realized how big of a role builds play in upper league. Showtime already admitted (I'm assuming he is a WL guy) that while you can start all over in PW every season, you can't turn back 400 days. That pretty much underlines my point. If you don't have the right builds, there is little you can do in WL but to start all over again. No game planning can overcome that.

Well in S18 He boasted the best offense in peewee gold, pretty much by a longshot... and made the playoffs with the Pimps, he only ever had one "bad" season with them, and it was his defense that was subpar that season anyway... hes always been good on offense...

I too agree that coordinating plays a bigger role here, but it also takes a lot less in to account.

Not really, dirty inc, FG, Fatchicks, and lunch box had a better offense. He just had huge depth on offense. Also, remember, it was the season everyone decided to go no/no until the last moment. Never said he had a bad team but his earlier seasons in PW gold was really no better than in WL. Nobody consider his team any good until S20. That's only one good season. Pimps almost got demoted the first season 4-12??, also had an 8-8 season. Should have been worse since they got some easy win at the end of the season when playoff was already set and people were cruising.

He won this his first two championship trophies with the 85 Bears after the merger. I'm not trying to diss him but just stating facts. Just can't see him as an example here. You need more than 2 seasons to be consider a WL guy.

I was a top ten team when I used to compete, but I never broke the top five in PWG.

I've won five championships in the minors since departing, and (as before) I'm OC, DC, and player builder.

But WL is >>> than the minors... you need to convince someone to let you have their player for a couple of seasons where that agent has spent two years building that player. That requires you to have built a solid reputation and earned the trust of the top talents. Farming is quite common, because it takes so long to develop a top end talent.

Pee Wee isn't as fun because you ARE so limited in what you can do. The top end co-ordinators are able to 'trick' their dots into covering where they want, while the WL DC can count on his dots being able to read the play better. VA strategy, SA strategy, build maximization strategy, and equipment maximization strategy... these are things that the Pee Wee coordinator doesn't need to worry about nearly as much as the recruiter/coordinator of a WL team.

I'm NOT saying that PWG doesn't have its advantages, but I think it is pretty clear that the PWG coordinator has a lot less to think about than a WL coordinator. There are few 'super'' builds that cannot be shut down. If you don't have the right make tackle equipment on the outside, you might get destroyed by a power/spin back on the sweeps, screens, or short passes. In Pee Wee it is far easier to just set your dots to wrap-up tackle and they'll make pretty much any tackle.

You don't need to worry about the Force Fumbles.
You don't need to worry about the interceptions.
You don't need to worry about catching 155 speed WRs, and making tackles on a 130 speed powerback with the same dot.

Yes: PWG is very difficult to win.
Yes: PWG produces an extremely competent level of coordinators.
But No: PWG is not => WL.

yeah I think as far as coordinating goes ...they can't really be compared coz they are worlds apart! ...but give the elite peewee gold coordinators the same team builds(any level) as the elite WL team coordinators and the reputations of the elite WL coordinators would take a serious battering!