Warrior General Games

Yeah that's a pretty neat idea

heck, something similar could be done for other positions too. Post that shit in suggestions Rage.

Wrs could have a Randy Moss VA (call it Disguise Laziness) where you lull a DB to sleep by walking 5 routes, then blowing past them with ease every once in a while

Originally posted by peadawg
If you want to compare to RL, there are 5 DT's in the top 50 in 2010 sacks....SUH had 10 and the rest had from 5-7.

You act like the only good dots are on the defense and that the OL builders aren't building great dots to stop the sacks.

I agree that they should get more than CB's and SS, but then again, IRL that happens...GLB which is a game...it does not. The problem is that most teams blitz the CB's and safeties constantly....not typical IRL.

Never said anything to the fact the DT's have never gotten 15 sacks - John Randle, arguably the best interior DT to play the game did it once...Warren Sapp I think did it once as well.

Even shitty OL men stop DL from getting sacks or doing much at all, really. If you had completely even, well built OL and DL then yes, totally low numbers. But when you got completely shitty OL men having no problems against vastly superior DL, then maybe...just maybe...that shouldn't happen.

I have no problem with DT's approaching double digit sacks.BUT,you damn well better to be able to take advantage of those pass rushers by running all over them.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by peadawg



You act like the only good dots are on the defense and that the OL builders aren't building great dots to stop the sacks.


You act like there is no diversity of builds between DTs and interior OL. There is very large diversity even at the WL level though.



A big part of the problem is in how OL decides who to block though. Many times DTs are double teamed even when a LB or DE on the team has several sacks and the DT has none.

IMO - each defensive player should start the season with a "threat" or "danger" score based on position. So something like

DT - 75
DE - 70
LB - 65
DB - 50

Unaccounted for pass rushers (outside blitzers not a blocker is not directly assigned to- get 30 pts added to their danger score)

If a player gets a sack in a game, his danger score goes up 5 pts for the game and 1 pt for the season.
If a player gets a hurry, his danger score goes up 1 pt for the game.

If a player doesn't get a sack in a game his danger score goes down 1 pt for each game in a row he has gone without a sack up to 5. (so if it is the 5th game in a row, it goes down 5 pts and the total it would have gone down is 15). The 6th game the total would be 20. After 7 - 25.

Once a player gets a sack, all the negative pts are removed. So, if a player was at -20 for going 6 games without a sack, then gets a sack in game 7, that player would have 25 pts added to danger score (5 for the sack, 20 for the removal of the negative modifier)

When a LB or DB has a high danger score, it would also make QB more likely to audible in extra blockers, whether or not the defense was blitzing. For each time a QB audibles and a blitz doesn't come, the in game danger score for that player would go down.

The VA disguise blitz could artificially lower a player's danger score.

Then any extra OL (those not blocking a defender directly in front of them) pick out who to block randomly, weighted toward players with higher danger scores.

So if 3 DL are pass rushing from a standard 3-4

A NT with a danger score of 50
A RDE with a danger score of 135
A LDE with a danger score of 80

The LG would be much more likely to help block the RDE than the NT
The RG would be slightly more likely to help block the LDE than the NT

Interesting concept. This would also force a OC to actually game plan against a dominant DT.

Originally posted by bdogg13
Originally posted by peadawg

Originally posted by Rage Kinard


Nobody is suggesting they should get 20. The top pass rushing DTs should be getting at least 8-10 though (especially when most teams play a 4-3 as their base defense). You act like there has never been a DT that got 15 sacks in a season in the NFL.

DTs definitely get a lot more sacks than CBs and safeties do IRL.



If you want to compare to RL, there are 5 DT's in the top 50 in 2010 sacks....SUH had 10 and the rest had from 5-7.

You act like the only good dots are on the defense and that the OL builders aren't building great dots to stop the sacks.

I agree that they should get more than CB's and SS, but then again, IRL that happens...GLB which is a game...it does not. The problem is that most teams blitz the CB's and safeties constantly....not typical IRL.

Never said anything to the fact the DT's have never gotten 15 sacks - John Randle, arguably the best interior DT to play the game did it once...Warren Sapp I think did it once as well.

Your points would be valid but look at the fact that there are exactly 2 DT with 11 sacks at the Pro level and 1 with 8. 3 DT's out of dozens. Yet they have a CB with 86 sacks and a LB with 112. You want to talk realism but ignore facts. Pass rushing DT's do not exist in this game. I know for a fact there are builds that should dominate interior O-linemen yet do absolutely nothing.

That has more to do with scheme

Originally posted by foshizzel17
Originally posted by bdogg13

Originally posted by peadawg


Originally posted by Rage Kinard



Nobody is suggesting they should get 20. The top pass rushing DTs should be getting at least 8-10 though (especially when most teams play a 4-3 as their base defense). You act like there has never been a DT that got 15 sacks in a season in the NFL.

DTs definitely get a lot more sacks than CBs and safeties do IRL.



If you want to compare to RL, there are 5 DT's in the top 50 in 2010 sacks....SUH had 10 and the rest had from 5-7.

You act like the only good dots are on the defense and that the OL builders aren't building great dots to stop the sacks.

I agree that they should get more than CB's and SS, but then again, IRL that happens...GLB which is a game...it does not. The problem is that most teams blitz the CB's and safeties constantly....not typical IRL.

Never said anything to the fact the DT's have never gotten 15 sacks - John Randle, arguably the best interior DT to play the game did it once...Warren Sapp I think did it once as well.

Your points would be valid but look at the fact that there are exactly 2 DT with 11 sacks at the Pro level and 1 with 8. 3 DT's out of dozens. Yet they have a CB with 86 sacks and a LB with 112. You want to talk realism but ignore facts. Pass rushing DT's do not exist in this game. I know for a fact there are builds that should dominate interior O-linemen yet do absolutely nothing.

That has more to do with scheme

Sure that applies to LB's and CB's getting a ton of sacks but not a DT. You can not scheme for a DT to get more pressure.

oh this again

Oh man, Rage Kinard continues to solve GLB. Catch22 should add him to his team ASAP.

Originally posted by bdogg13
Interesting concept. This would also force a OC to actually game plan against a dominant DT.

Ideally it would mean the SIM accounts for them.

For instance, say a team has LB - X that has 12 sacks on the season through 7 games. Not only is he more likely to get picked up every time he blitzes, he is more likely to get double teamed than any player who has significantly less sacks.

You shouldn't see a run stuffing NT that needs 40 ticks to get to the QB at full speed triple teamed while the ROT has to block a LDE with 25 sacks by himself every play.

The other thing is you wouldn't have a 1 size fits all blocking mechanic. In one game an offense may be double teaming the LDE on 75% of pass plays. In another game the LDE may be a much smaller threat, so that he is almost never double teamed.

A CB that has never been utilized on a blitz is going to be much more likely to get past the LOS unblocked. But, with each hurry/sack, the offense is going to be more likely to pick him up.

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1617432&pbp_id=7078813

hehe

Anybody tried 10pts in Relentless Pursuit and just rush 3 people all the time

Originally posted by foshizzel17
Anybody tried 10pts in Relentless Pursuit and just rush 3 people all the time

ask me again in 7-8 seasons

Originally posted by peadawg
If you want to compare to RL, there are 5 DT's in the top 50 in 2010 sacks....SUH had 10 and the rest had from 5-7.



Your numbers are a little off. There were 6 DTs in the top 40 last season. Suh (10), Smith (8.5), Idonije(8), Kelly (7), Raji(6.5) & Robbins(6) all notching more sacks than the best secondary blitzer FS Michael Huff who got a whooping 4 sacks.

Originally posted by peadawg
You act like the only good dots are on the defense and that the OL builders aren't building great dots to stop the sacks.

No one is arguing that elite pass rushing DTs should dominate elite pass blocking offensive linemen. Right now however, elite pass rushing DTs aren't even dominating average linemen built primarily for run blocking. A top notch DT built to pass rush should be getting past o-linemen who built to run block at least some of the time. Right now that dynamic is nearly non-existent outside of blowouts.