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Originally posted by bug03
As of right now, at this very instant, there are 3 teams in OPL with the talent to beat EEA/Socal/Buda (and they are all in zeta, lolalpha) So bringing them back is NOT going to help OPL at all in regards to competition. You think those teams are going to try in the regular season? So now we're back to being bored for all but 3 games a season.

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This is not competitive





It's not too far off from the NFL in most seasons. There are always a lot of good teams that make the postseason but when facing the best of the best they usually bow out gracefully and let the big boys play. I have been in every position in this equation during my time in Oceania and while there are up seasons and down seasons in terms of competitiveness, I have never been soooo bored I couldn't stand it. Maybe if you had taken a few games over the past few seasons a bit more seriously you would have the hardware to get my sympathy here but you are claiming to not be challenged and hold almost no Oceania hardware. Coulda, shoulda, woulda...

Make sure you put us in our place in a few days. I know you don't plan for scrimmages but at least make sure you don't have any major errors that you can blame the loss on.

GO GCMM!!!

-WJ

Originally posted by Wolfpack Justice
It's not too far off from the NFL in most seasons. There are always a lot of good teams that make the postseason but when facing the best of the best they usually bow out gracefully and let the big boys play. I have been in every position in this equation during my time in Oceania and while there are up seasons and down seasons in terms of competitiveness, I have never been soooo bored I couldn't stand it. Maybe if you had taken a few games over the past few seasons a bit more seriously you would have the hardware to get my sympathy here but you are claiming to not be challenged and hold almost no Oceania hardware. Coulda, shoulda, woulda...

Make sure you put us in our place in a few days. I know you don't plan for scrimmages but at least make sure you don't have any major errors that you can blame the loss on.

GO GCMM!!!

-WJ

lol WJ you make me smile. It's a private scrim and I'll be testing blitzes like I have been all season. Oh an Otega will be trying to figure out how to pass to our new wr's

Originally posted by bug03
lol WJ you make me smile. It's a private scrim and I'll be testing blitzes like I have been all season. Oh an Otega will be trying to figure out how to pass to our new wr's

I thought you would like that. I was actually pleasantly surprised to see the scrim invite accepted

-WJ

Originally posted by Wolfpack Justice
I thought you would like that. I was actually pleasantly surprised to see the scrim invite accepted

-WJ

I take all private scrims - I'm still not completely done with this new defense bs

Originally posted by Wolfpack Justice


Maybe if you had taken a few games over the past few seasons a bit more seriously you would have the hardware to get my sympathy here but you are claiming to not be challenged and hold almost no Oceania hardware. Coulda, shoulda, woulda...

-WJ

Honestly, we haven't really been challenged but maybe 2 games per season. It's not about hardware, or titles, or any of that. That's the point that people seem to miss. It's about the entire season. Look, WJ, we seriously have planned for maybe 5 games in the past 3 seasons. 3 seasons ago, we actually started taking scrims from just about everyone in order to have more competitive games than what we already had.

That's not a knock on OPL, but we are one of those teams that are somewhere between a great pro team and a 7/8 seed WL team. You can point to the lack of tropies, etc. as a way to knock us down, or whatever. But the reality is that we've slept walked through all but one season in OPL, including this past season. And to sum it up, since S13 with one season in WL, we've made 3 CC games and haven't missed the playoffs.

I'm all for contracting the leagues down and making things more competitive and more consistent. Oceania has been our home since EEA started, but I would rather have a competitive schedule all season than to keep extra leagues around, or worse yet, have no changes be made, because of online "regionalism" in a video game environment.

I voted no for this suggestion as well.

I voted no initially and then changed it to yes after a few days. I like Oceania, great group of owners. But who is really left?

2 Asau Pirates 0-0-0 -1
5 Syracuse Synergy 0-0-0 -4
11 Oregon Ducks 0-0-0 -1
12 Gold Coast Vipers 0-0-0 -1

Only these teams from Zeta. So why not consolidate. It doesn't mean these teams will not be with Sumatra in a hemisphere model. So I am fine with it tbh.

I don't know if we'll be around next season either. I essentially have to recruit 40 dots, which is pretty much impossible. We might promote our farm team up, but they won't even have 64s yet.

If you ever want to know why EEA has so few titles you have no further to look than this idea that you guys have about not planning for regular season games. EEA has always had great dots and should by all accounts have more titles than they do but it has nothing to do with poor sims or lightning striking every season. It has everything to do with the fact that you guys think you can just turn it on and off and expect to win big games. Perhaps the reason why the playoff sim seems to be so unfavorable to you guys is that you aren't up to speed on the way the sim is operating. If you aren't making in-season adjustments for the most part, depending on the opponent at hand, then it is no wonder that you are unfamiliar with the way things are going to work in the sim.

GCMM has not been a title contender many times in OPL but we have around 10 seasons with 10 wins in OPL so while I am no GLB guru I know that what I am saying is true because we can't always give as much effort game planning as we would like and no team can rely solely on their dots and some perceived ability to out game plan another top team in a playoff sim that you have, by your own admission, not been experimenting much in.

I love you guys but I don't like hearing about how you don't game plan. I think it cheapens the experience for everyone. GLB is a game and everyone should be able to play how ever they want to but I think that certain things are certainties. #1 rule of life. nobody is gonna hand you anything. You have to go out there and DESERVE to get it. If you end up with something any other way it will surely be fleeting and empty.

GO GCMM!!!

-WJ

Originally posted by Wolfpack Justice
If you ever want to know why EEA has so few titles you have no further to look than this idea that you guys have about not planning for regular season games. EEA has always had great dots and should by all accounts have more titles than they do but it has nothing to do with poor sims or lightning striking every season. It has everything to do with the fact that you guys think you can just turn it on and off and expect to win big games. Perhaps the reason why the playoff sim seems to be so unfavorable to you guys is that you aren't up to speed on the way the sim is operating. If you aren't making in-season adjustments for the most part, depending on the opponent at hand, then it is no wonder that you are unfamiliar with the way things are going to work in the sim.

GCMM has not been a title contender many times in OPL but we have around 10 seasons with 10 wins in OPL so while I am no GLB guru I know that what I am saying is true because we can't always give as much effort game planning as we would like and no team can rely solely on their dots and some perceived ability to out game plan another top team in a playoff sim that you have, by your own admission, not been experimenting much in.

I love you guys but I don't like hearing about how you don't game plan. I think it cheapens the experience for everyone. GLB is a game and everyone should be able to play how ever they want to but I think that certain things are certainties. #1 rule of life. nobody is gonna hand you anything. You have to go out there and DESERVE to get it. If you end up with something any other way it will surely be fleeting and empty.

GO GCMM!!!

-WJ

I hear what you are saying, to an extent.

Look, I think you know me well enough by now to know that there is no way I'm trying to cheapen anyone's experience in GLB. I'm the first person, regardless of score to give every team a GG and a butt pat with some encouraging words, or words of praise.

That's not what I'm trying to convey.

Obviously, I've never been a big fan of talking ourselves up, or coming here on the forums like Bug does and providing some motivation for our opponents by talking about what we do, or don't do.

However, this isn't about us. This is about making leagues more competitive than they currently are, which is to say, not very competitive. Now 2 seasons ago, we had the most competitive season in OPL since EEA has been up here. Top to bottom, we had solid teams all the way around, and our combined records in scrims showed it. But that's one out of 8 seasons in OPL. Just one. Otherwise, we have what we have, teams rebuilding, teams outleveled, teams gutting, teams moving up.

And if look at the other leagues, it's even worse. CPL, APL, etc have largely been jokes other than the top 2 or 3 teams there.

So, this idea of contraction in order to make leagues more competitive, is a good one in my eyes.

btw, one last note about us. It's never been about thinking we can turn it on and off at the drop of a dime. I get what you are saying, but that's not really the case. What it has been about is a combination of a couple things, limited time, motivation or lack thereof, and no need to since our league, save for one season, has been weak from about 4 down on each side.

Originally posted by Ronnie Brown 23
I don't know if we'll be around next season either. I essentially have to recruit 40 dots, which is pretty much impossible. We might promote our farm team up, but they won't even have 64s yet.

Weak. We've been doing it since season 4 this way. If we don't have 40+ to recruit, I'm often in shock. We don't have a network so we never know what the end product is going to look like until right before the season. If GLB didn't penalize independent teams like us with huge chemistry hits, more teams would stick around instead of gutting. It sucks that you work your ass off to put a competitive team on the field and then get "chemed to death"...

Condensing the leagues is needed. I don't think anyone can really argue otherwise. How they go about it is the debate . I think wise's post has made the most sense so far as to how they should structure it

Originally posted by Otega
I hear what you are saying, to an extent.

Look, I think you know me well enough by now to know that there is no way I'm trying to cheapen anyone's experience in GLB. I'm the first person, regardless of score to give every team a GG and a butt pat with some encouraging words, or words of praise.

That's not what I'm trying to convey.

Obviously, I've never been a big fan of talking ourselves up, or coming here on the forums like Bug does and providing some motivation for our opponents by talking about what we do, or don't do.

However, this isn't about us. This is about making leagues more competitive than they currently are, which is to say, not very competitive. Now 2 seasons ago, we had the most competitive season in OPL since EEA has been up here. Top to bottom, we had solid teams all the way around, and our combined records in scrims showed it. But that's one out of 8 seasons in OPL. Just one. Otherwise, we have what we have, teams rebuilding, teams outleveled, teams gutting, teams moving up.

And if look at the other leagues, it's even worse. CPL, APL, etc have largely been jokes other than the top 2 or 3 teams there.

So, this idea of contraction in order to make leagues more competitive, is a good one in my eyes.

btw, one last note about us. It's never been about thinking we can turn it on and off at the drop of a dime. I get what you are saying, but that's not really the case. What it has been about is a combination of a couple things, limited time, motivation or lack thereof, and no need to since our league, save for one season, has been weak from about 4 down on each side.

I don't think you or anyone at EEA wants to cheapen others experience but IF starting a bunch of snarky threads and trolling newbs in the OPL forum is more interesting or a better use of ones time than game planning through the regular season and thus making the regular season more fun for all and improving the individual/team's chances of winning a title and living up to the hype then we can't get anywhere.

Like I said, I know how it is. I help a lot of teams and with my job I can spend a lot of time logged in but not enough sitting down doing the hard work it takes to be the best team all of the time. Heck, even if I did I probably couldn't do that anyway and I have no illusions of grandeur that make me think I could. I tell you all this so you know that I am not trying to boast in any way. I am simply saying that I can't take an argument that says the Pro leagues are too weak from anyone who doesn't exhibit an ability to dominate most leagues they participate in.

In the NFL there are a lot teams that seem to be in the mix year in and year out but rarely if ever win the big game. It usually comes down to one of 3 things in my estimation. Either the team is too young, not quite talented enough or not prepared. It is never anyone's "turn". Every team that wins the Superbowl earns it imo and there are not 32 teams that can expect to do that not only year in and year out but in some cases ever.

I think GLB would be doing the game a disservice by doing too much in the way of dismantling the way the National Pro leagues work. If there aren't enough good teams to fill the slots I don't put that on the game but rather the petulant attitude that is prevalent throughout not only the community within GLB but in my experience has permeated modern society as a whole in the developed world and that is a sense of entitlement and an overall lack of concern for anyone other than ones self.

I think iot is this attitude that has taken over the general discussion areas of this game and has thus become the face of GLB to some extent. I know a lot more people that have quit GLB because of the overall climate/environment within the game than quit because they thought the sim was hopeless or that the developers didn't want to deliver a quality product.

I don't get paid to give my 2 cents on these matters and I only pay money to play, not post in general forums where I will in the end be shouted down by the bunch of internet tough/smart guys who imo are the biggest problem with this game to begin with.

I have witnessed too many users join GLB, start off as great agents, find their way into a group that promotes poor sportsmanship and before you know it I can't read their posts without making sure my 1st grader isn't standing behind me. This game is probably doomed but it's not the fault of GLB except in that they have allowed the aforementioned element to rule the roost. Doing things that aren't really good ideas because they stave off a collapse of a system is not really a good thing for a system unless the culture is willing to then do the things that it takes to reinstate what is considered the paradigm asap.

I actually think they are going to be able to come up with a bandaid fix that will make most happy for a while but I'm not sure the things that are driving a lot of folks away are really being addressed in said fix.

Go Oceania!!!

-WJ

I agree with 90% of what WJ says. I think the user community, as a whole, has changed, and that is a major reason that GLB is not as much fun for me as it once was. I also really hate the "we lost b.c we couldn't be bothered to gameplan" response. Have I lost b/c I ran out of time or were too busy to gameplan? Of course. But I would never post it as an excuse. Yet that mentality has become so prevalent now that gameplanning (i.e. actually playing the game you pay for) is actually frowned upon and winning after gameplanning somehow cheapens the win. How ludicrous is that?

The 10% that I do not agree is that Pro should stay the same. Devonport's farm team just got promoted to WEPL after going 11-5 and losing in the first round in Elite Reg. Pro. When we started that farm team, I had a goal of getting them to Pro before moving them to Devonport. I thought that was the epitome of success (having a Pro farm team and a WL main team). The reality is that having a Pro farm team now just proves that you can field a remotely well built team that is 320+ days old. We did not truly earn our pro spot, and thus it is not an accomplishment to be proud of.

I would love to see a contraction to 4 Pro leagues. That would make getting into Pro actually mean something. I realize that some teams would not make it to Pro, but I guess I don't buy the idea that Pro is a right that every team should have. I think it should be earned, and thus something to be proud of once you do earn it.

I know this may offend those that just promoted. If so, I am not trying to insult your efforts. But if you are honest with yourself (and have been around long enough), you have to admit that you had a harder time going from AA to AAA in Season 5 than you did going from Regional Pro to Pro in Season 21.

On a related note, I think alot of the fun that has been removed is the idea of promotions having meaning. Getting into an Elite minors league is not much harder than getting into Pro. Winning an Elite minors league is an accomplishment to be proud of, but the "promotions" throughout the minors are not meaningful. In the old pyramid, every team tried every season because winning was important. The top 2 or 3 had a shot to promote, and the champs auto-promoted. Thus, the prize was not a .gif so much as moving up in the GLB world.

That idea is completely gone now. I'm not sure we can get it back, but it is a big part of the decline of GLB, IMO.

Having been in both types of leagues on our way up I can easily say the most entertaining season I had was the one spent in cap 46 elite. The atmosphere was that of the WL, all top teams, all thinking they were gonna win it all or had a shot. Every game mattered, details made the difference. Teams were not able to sandbag their offense all season, they had to use their best every game and continue to adapt. The last 4 seasons spent in pro have been blah, first couple we were outleveled so of course we fought hard to win every game but in the end it didn't matter. I think finally last season on our 4th we realistically had a shot at a title but were knocked off early the. We had hoped. Now in our 5th season, many dots on the verge of decline, and how many games have we played that have really mattered the past 4 seasons? Maybe a handful. Condensing the leagues will make it more enjoyable for everyone