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my point is not to argue the build strategy of 90% of the agents, but to incentive-ize the Nat Pro level. To make the better dots "WANT to play in Nat Pro. just like the elite build want to play in WL. to creat a layered system.

I understand this wont magically fix ALL that is wrong.

I have been the owner of SGA since S1, We had a cup o joe in WL a few seasons back. AND I have done my fair share of recruiting in those 20 seasons. I will say, as a matter of fact, there are plenty of guys that have solid builds that will sign with lesser teams every season.

All points made in the above posts are ALL valid, mine was just a way to make Nat pro a little more attractive than the other Regional pro leagues.

I will again, try not to interrupt the league bickering. lol

Now, back to your previously scheduled programing

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

and after that what? Another tier between WL and Pro? People want competive National Pro leagues and not another tier.

Nope.

Just cut down from 256 to 128 national Pro teams.

Then you only have 8 teams promote to WL and 8 teams demote from WL.

The top 12 teams in each WL conference would stay and only the bottom 4 demote.


Basically only teams that are currently able to make playoffs at Nat Pro level would stay Nat Pro.

Why not cut WL? WL is not everything in GLB world and see no reason to cut 4 Pro leagues just to fix thigns temporarily. Changes must start from below and give them time to work. Game is dying and don't thing current Pro league structure is responsible for that.

This situation reminds me of when everyone wanted to play in USA Pro back in the early seasons.

maybe your right, getting rid of WL is the only way. the million dollar question is how?

Catch posted somewhere in the past that NGTH so...

i know, that's why I'm thinking of other alternatives...

Two seasons ago (S18) EEPL was a great competive league. Many teams from that time don't exist anymore (RR, Ukraine, Transformers), some are rebuilding (Banja) and others are a joke full of CPU players (Chickens). This mean one thing, game is dying! Reducing Pro leagues will not fix the problem. After all who is the person to decide which teams will remain here or move to another Pro league? Many agents/owners are loyal to their leagues (see league challenges) and don't want to play in another league (no name leagues or anything except EEPL).

I want a competive EEPL like was in the past. Reducing/deleting National Pro leagues will not fix aything. It's a temporary solution that creates more problems and lead to the death of the game. Those that will remain behing are only the WL elitists and owners in lolminors that desperately trying to reach the WL dream and fail season after season. I have two generations of Odyssey players ready to reach EEPL in two seasons and compete again with the teams I left behind. If EEPL is no more when I come here then nothing left to keep me in this game.

Teams come up and then die off all the time. Has always been that way with GLB. Most of the teams in Pro right now wouldn't be here if that were not the case.

Sparta fell off because they joined a coalition and Sparta wasn't the team they chose to house the dots. They went to the Mojo.

I have trouble wanting to get rid of the WL when it is the only competitive league for players above level 64 right now.

Dispersing those teams among the 8 Pro leagues isn't going to help competition either. It's just going to put a handful of teams into each league that will dominate them.

It's one reason why I haven't been upset that Arkadak hasn't won an EEPL title. On one hand, I would love to win an EEPL title, and come playoff time I give it my best effort every game, every season.

On the other hand, Arkadak isn't part of a coalition and we wouldn't be able to pull in the dots necessary to be competitive there. The best roster Arkadak has had over the past 4 seasons has been nowhere near the quality of WL playoff teams.

In season 18 Sofia went 20-0

They won 5 games by over 200 pts
They won 2 more games by over 100 pts
They won 4 more games by over 70 pts

That's 11 of 16 regular season games by over 70 pts (11 of 15 conference games)

Arkadak won 8 games by 70+ pts

Athens won 3 games by 70+pts and another 3 by 50+


So even in season 18 there were only 8 or 9 teams in Alpha that deserved to be in National Pro. Cut the leagues in 1/2.
Make the Pro league a conference. You can still maintain the rivalry and keep the affiliation.

What would be great is if you had 8 National Pro conferences with the old league names (EEPC, WEPC, USPC, etc.) and the conferences rotated leagues. So one season EEPC is paired with WEPC. The next EEPC is paired with OPC.

many of you may remember this but im brining it back up again

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4545913

RK, even if you follow the way you suggest, in 4-5 seasons we'll have the same problem. As I said earlier GLB is dying and reducing Pro leagues isn't a solution, Will improve competiveness for a while but after soem seasons problem will be the same with current structure. As for WL teams, don't think will be so strong outside from WL. It's WL awesomeness that attract agents. As for Athens & EEPL title, I'm not a part of a network either (just have some loyal agents from team creation).

Btw, Sofia is a team that belongs to WL that's the reason still remains undefeated from S18. Too good for EEPL but not so for WL. I'm convinced that if WL goes away everything will be better (not fixed, just better) but NGTH. Cutting Pro leagues in alf will not fix anything, we'll just have another mini WL tier between WL and remaining Pro.

Btw not all WL game are competive, just take a look at some scores.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Sparta fell off because they joined a coalition and Sparta wasn't the team they chose to house the dots. They went to the Mojo.


Still don't know why they keep this lolCPU team in here. I chose to demote Odyssey instead of keeping them here with lvl 55 players even knowing I'm not going face relegation (always you can find two lol teams to beat).

Originally posted by Kenshinzen


Btw not all WL game are competive, just take a look at some scores.

In the first 3 weeks of pre-season 2 games were decided by more than 50 pts.

Odessa won WL conference title and didn't win a game by more than 50 pts all season.
ESL won WL championship and had 2 40 pt victories as largest margin all season.

I DC'd Syracuse. They went 4-12. The largest loss was by 43 points. (49-6 vs. MPHD) That was the only 40 pt loss for the season.

Nordic Skulls 3-3 biggest loss was 45, their only loss over 30 pts.

Stewart Ballers were 1-15. They lost by 86 to HHWC, but that was their only loss of more than 30 pts.


I want to play in leagues like that. National Pro is not going to be near that competitive as long as there are 8 National Pro leagues.

Why change the league structuring? I mean keep it and just fix the promotion and relegation system.
You can't keep teams on a high tier when they're all CPU or gut teams.

Granted that there are a handful of teams that will sleep walk during the regular season, there will be teams that will try to slug it out just to remain here.

You all say that the proposed restructure will add more competition well I agree with Ken. In a few seasons, we will see this crap happen again. You can't just stop teams from gutting OR selling and becoming a CPU team. And you can't also prevent teams from WL to drop back down here. Say for example Odessa, Hood, Sophia and GOW gets relegated what happens now? A ridiculously competitive and strong EEPL again.

What needs to be fixed (again) is the promotion and relegation. A young team gets promoted here and they get their ass pounded game in game out is much better than raping a gut or CPU team. Plus that will give incentive to younger agents to put more cash into the game because they know that their time will come.

My team for one is an example, we've never been considered as a serious contender but we have managed to be a pretty decent team in here. Will my team get a chance to get EEPL title, well just like Ken there that's my main goal what comes next is gravy. If the reorg does happen, I'll sit back and "see" where we stand. I will either roll with the punches OR just hang up my gloves.

What I really like to see is "new" blood to come into this league. Promote those teams that deserve to be promoted (read as earned their way here) and demote those teams that truly deserve to be demoted.

i wont disagree the promotion system needs some work but you guys saying "fix it, fix the problem" are making some wild assumptions here. The game is not structure to allow for Low 60s to compete with 72's .. and thats the mix you have in Pro right now. Are their any team of 70s in Regional that should be in Pro? That's not saying a well built 60 won't stop a crap 70, so it's more than that.

Remember when there was a 2 season waiting list for teams? What was wrong with that? There is a great lacking of good high level builds. That doesn't help any competitiveness either.

That's happened because they had the brilliant idea to restructur minors and have a huge gap from Regional to National Pro. Also many players that started to decline retired at the end of S20 (I know becuase Odyssey had this problem) but if you give some time in 2-3 seasons Pro will be competive again. Don't be Borf or an Admin to fix the game (not my job, I'm a paying customer) but taking the axe and cutting Pro leagues is not a solution.

I'm tired and already said enough. I'm out of this thread for ever...

Originally posted by jdpbernal


What needs to be fixed (again) is the promotion and relegation. A young team gets promoted here and they get their ass pounded game in game out is much better than raping a gut or CPU team. Plus that will give incentive to younger agents to put more cash into the game because they know that their time will come.




The gut or CPU teams wouldn't still be here if it weren't for the fact they won more games than some of the those level 64 teams who were demoted.

I don't enjoy winning by 70 against level 64 teams or level 72 teams any more than I enjoy beating CPU teams by 200. If a team can sleep walk into a home playoff game, then the top teams in the league don't belong in the same league as the bottom teams.

I'm tired of all the National Pro leagues having teams that can win 13-16 games without changing their AI all season.
Dumping the bottom 3-4 teams in each conference and adding 3-4 Regional Pro teams that are better than the ones being dumped, but are not able to compete with the top teams in National Pro isn't going to change that.