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Originally posted by juiceweezl
Originally posted by jtrav21
Like I said, there are plenty of people who start dots off in lolpw and go on to build long term. This is just somethin to help new people to the game, so I dont know what your crying about.
You need to clarify this. If someone is building a dot to be super competitive in PW, it will not be a very good long term dot. It's a completely different build strategy. You can build a solid dot for PW that lives on, but not a dot that will be an elite at PW. I think you have attempted in a round about way to say that this would be helpful for those building dots in PW that plan to live on. If that's the case, then the idea has some merit.
I think you've backed off your stance a bit now. What you'll find if you stay here is that many of the owners/coaches/agents here are as knowledgeable in GLB. Just because they enjoy PW doesn't mean they don't have a grasp on what goes on.
Never said they didnt.
Originally posted by jtrav21
Like I said, there are plenty of people who start dots off in lolpw and go on to build long term. This is just somethin to help new people to the game, so I dont know what your crying about.
You need to clarify this. If someone is building a dot to be super competitive in PW, it will not be a very good long term dot. It's a completely different build strategy. You can build a solid dot for PW that lives on, but not a dot that will be an elite at PW. I think you have attempted in a round about way to say that this would be helpful for those building dots in PW that plan to live on. If that's the case, then the idea has some merit.
I think you've backed off your stance a bit now. What you'll find if you stay here is that many of the owners/coaches/agents here are as knowledgeable in GLB. Just because they enjoy PW doesn't mean they don't have a grasp on what goes on.
Never said they didnt.
Originally posted by PING72
Originally posted by jtrav21
didnt mean any disrespect by the lolpw but il drop the lol for this thread. and if your referring to dots being down here just for xp, there are dots that this would apply to, espcially people who just joined the game, which is the target of this project in the first place.
PW wasn't created for new players. PW was created to give a league where everyone started on equal footing and had a chance to compete. The upper levels suck b/c regardless of coaching 14/16 of your games are decided by builds/levels before the game is started and new owners have no chance of competing unless they own all of the players or are part of an organization.
May be true, but there are plenty of pw teams that are made just for the purpose of xp and housing new dots. alot of newbs when they sign up, are told to wait til day 41 to roll and start on a pw team to see how it goes. this is an advertisement for those people and other newbs who are in here and interested in building long term. What we are trying to do will hopefully in a small way help out the latter part of your statement.
Originally posted by jtrav21
didnt mean any disrespect by the lolpw but il drop the lol for this thread. and if your referring to dots being down here just for xp, there are dots that this would apply to, espcially people who just joined the game, which is the target of this project in the first place.
PW wasn't created for new players. PW was created to give a league where everyone started on equal footing and had a chance to compete. The upper levels suck b/c regardless of coaching 14/16 of your games are decided by builds/levels before the game is started and new owners have no chance of competing unless they own all of the players or are part of an organization.
May be true, but there are plenty of pw teams that are made just for the purpose of xp and housing new dots. alot of newbs when they sign up, are told to wait til day 41 to roll and start on a pw team to see how it goes. this is an advertisement for those people and other newbs who are in here and interested in building long term. What we are trying to do will hopefully in a small way help out the latter part of your statement.
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Originally posted by zmj44
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all levels suck imo
You're trolling the wrong forum! Get back to Rookie #5!!!
loldotball
all levels suck imo
You're trolling the wrong forum! Get back to Rookie #5!!!
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Originally posted by juiceweezl
You're trolling the wrong forum! Get back to Rookie #5!!!
sir yes sir
You're trolling the wrong forum! Get back to Rookie #5!!!
sir yes sir
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Originally posted by Gerr
No one would have said anything had you not disrespected Pee-Wee like you did in the above statement.
No one would have said anything had you not disrespected Pee-Wee like you did in the above statement.
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Originally posted by jtrav21
Originally posted by ManOgwaR
Originally posted by jtrav21
Originally posted by Gerr
Originally posted by jtrav21
I know this is lolpw but...
It's ignorant comments like this that show the ego of the upper level owners/coaches. This isn't real life where a bunch of kids are playing with no skill. This is simulated dot ball, and it is just as hard to be competitive at the Pee-Wee level with slower dots as it is at the World League level with faster dots. There are build considerations at both levels, as well as tactic adjustments and play calling choices that only skilled owners/coaches will do well in at either level. In other words, it takes just as much coaching talent to get to and remain in the WL as it does for PW Gold.
Something to consider is that good builds can make or break a WL team, where they are less of a factor at the PW level. At the Gold level, while it doesn't happen too often, a non-boosted, non-CEQ team has beaten a fully boosted & CEQ team. Since most of Gold has fairly similar builds, this comes down to coaching ability. While I don't know for sure, I doubt the same can be said for the WL.
While the skills are different, it takes just as much skill to be successful at PW as it does for the WL. I have yet to see a bunch of WL owners/coaches take a PW team to Gold. Granted the same can be said for the opposite, but it takes a long time to take a team to the WL or at least to the upper levels, where if you buy a Silver team, you have a shot at Gold in your 2nd season, but I still don't see any WL or upper level owned teams there.
While I doubt this will happen, a test would be a good idea. Give a top level upper league owner/coach full control of a PW Gold team and a top PW owner/coach full control of a WL or highly competitive upper league team and see who does better or adapts quicker. While I doubt either will be successful their 1st season, it would be interesting to see which does better and who adapts quicker their 2nd season.
PW owners/coaches just say we are as good as the upper level owners/coaches, but the upper level owners/coaches think there is little to no skill at the Pee-Wee level and thus think they are superior to PW owners/coaches, which is where the ego comes in. Which do you think it is?
Impressive rant, but thats alot to extrapolate out of my statement. And I know plenty of people who start their dots off in lolpw, so this definitly applies here. If you dont like that, then jsut ignore it.
LOL when you post on the peewee forums you may want to try and find at least a small amount of tact
That comment would apply better to those who are crying about the fact that we are tryin to help new agents, and hijack this thread turning it into a lolpw vs regular teams. Again, this is simply somethin to help new agents out with some basic information.
QUOTE PYRAMID!!!
...well you coming in and using a derogatory term about peewee on a peewee forum is obviously disrespectful to this part of the GLB community ...you don't see us posting on pro and wl forums in that manner do you? ...if we did, I'm sure that a few agents on those forums would be crying also
...we are not the ones trying to poach agents from the pro and wl ...but we could consider this 'help' that you say you are offering as just poaching agents when you use words like you do towards peewee ...maybe these agents that you are trying to save for the 'greater glory' of the world league don't want your help and are quite happy amongst us ...is it possible for you to comprehend that?!?
Originally posted by ManOgwaR
Originally posted by jtrav21
Originally posted by Gerr
Originally posted by jtrav21
I know this is lolpw but...
It's ignorant comments like this that show the ego of the upper level owners/coaches. This isn't real life where a bunch of kids are playing with no skill. This is simulated dot ball, and it is just as hard to be competitive at the Pee-Wee level with slower dots as it is at the World League level with faster dots. There are build considerations at both levels, as well as tactic adjustments and play calling choices that only skilled owners/coaches will do well in at either level. In other words, it takes just as much coaching talent to get to and remain in the WL as it does for PW Gold.
Something to consider is that good builds can make or break a WL team, where they are less of a factor at the PW level. At the Gold level, while it doesn't happen too often, a non-boosted, non-CEQ team has beaten a fully boosted & CEQ team. Since most of Gold has fairly similar builds, this comes down to coaching ability. While I don't know for sure, I doubt the same can be said for the WL.
While the skills are different, it takes just as much skill to be successful at PW as it does for the WL. I have yet to see a bunch of WL owners/coaches take a PW team to Gold. Granted the same can be said for the opposite, but it takes a long time to take a team to the WL or at least to the upper levels, where if you buy a Silver team, you have a shot at Gold in your 2nd season, but I still don't see any WL or upper level owned teams there.
While I doubt this will happen, a test would be a good idea. Give a top level upper league owner/coach full control of a PW Gold team and a top PW owner/coach full control of a WL or highly competitive upper league team and see who does better or adapts quicker. While I doubt either will be successful their 1st season, it would be interesting to see which does better and who adapts quicker their 2nd season.
PW owners/coaches just say we are as good as the upper level owners/coaches, but the upper level owners/coaches think there is little to no skill at the Pee-Wee level and thus think they are superior to PW owners/coaches, which is where the ego comes in. Which do you think it is?
Impressive rant, but thats alot to extrapolate out of my statement. And I know plenty of people who start their dots off in lolpw, so this definitly applies here. If you dont like that, then jsut ignore it.
LOL when you post on the peewee forums you may want to try and find at least a small amount of tact
That comment would apply better to those who are crying about the fact that we are tryin to help new agents, and hijack this thread turning it into a lolpw vs regular teams. Again, this is simply somethin to help new agents out with some basic information.
QUOTE PYRAMID!!!
...well you coming in and using a derogatory term about peewee on a peewee forum is obviously disrespectful to this part of the GLB community ...you don't see us posting on pro and wl forums in that manner do you? ...if we did, I'm sure that a few agents on those forums would be crying also
...we are not the ones trying to poach agents from the pro and wl ...but we could consider this 'help' that you say you are offering as just poaching agents when you use words like you do towards peewee ...maybe these agents that you are trying to save for the 'greater glory' of the world league don't want your help and are quite happy amongst us ...is it possible for you to comprehend that?!?
Edited by ManOgwaR on Jan 7, 2011 12:10:15
Edited by ManOgwaR on Jan 7, 2011 06:38:52
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Originally posted by Granmarg
Didn't Duffman take a team to gold and had a team that won USAPL gold awhile ago?
Taking a team to Gold is one thing, being successful there is another. Duff had a good team last season, but he won his way to the league championship primarily because he boosted and on one else did. I don't think that was the case in the League championship, and I believe he won in double OT.
The PW game in Silver is about which quality coached team boosts and which one doesn't. Level 11's can't beat an entire roster of well build level 14's -- not if the team is prepared properly with this slam fest SIM.
Didn't Duffman take a team to gold and had a team that won USAPL gold awhile ago?
Taking a team to Gold is one thing, being successful there is another. Duff had a good team last season, but he won his way to the league championship primarily because he boosted and on one else did. I don't think that was the case in the League championship, and I believe he won in double OT.
The PW game in Silver is about which quality coached team boosts and which one doesn't. Level 11's can't beat an entire roster of well build level 14's -- not if the team is prepared properly with this slam fest SIM.
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Originally posted by Gerr
It's ignorant comments like this that show the ego of the upper level owners/coaches. This isn't real life where a bunch of kids are playing with no skill. This is simulated dot ball, and it is just as hard to be competitive at the Pee-Wee level with slower dots as it is at the World League level with faster dots. There are build considerations at both levels, as well as tactic adjustments and play calling choices that only skilled owners/coaches will do well in at either level. In other words, it takes just as much coaching talent to get to and remain in the WL as it does for PW Gold.
Something to consider is that good builds can make or break a WL team, where they are less of a factor at the PW level. At the Gold level, while it doesn't happen too often, a non-boosted, non-CEQ team has beaten a fully boosted & CEQ team. Since most of Gold has fairly similar builds, this comes down to coaching ability. While I don't know for sure, I doubt the same can be said for the WL.
While the skills are different, it takes just as much skill to be successful at PW as it does for the WL. I have yet to see a bunch of WL owners/coaches take a PW team to Gold. Granted the same can be said for the opposite, but it takes a long time to take a team to the WL or at least to the upper levels, where if you buy a Silver team, you have a shot at Gold in your 2nd season, but I still don't see any WL or upper level owned teams there.
While I doubt this will happen, a test would be a good idea. Give a top level upper league owner/coach full control of a PW Gold team and a top PW owner/coach full control of a WL or highly competitive upper league team and see who does better or adapts quicker. While I doubt either will be successful their 1st season, it would be interesting to see which does better and who adapts quicker their 2nd season.
PW owners/coaches just say we are as good as the upper level owners/coaches, but the upper level owners/coaches think there is little to no skill at the Pee-Wee level and thus think they are superior to PW owners/coaches, which is where the ego comes in. Which do you think it is?
You and a few others in peewee are just as elitist as some of the WLers, tbh. You are a big fish in a small pond and that pond shrinks more and more with the passing seasons.
It's ignorant comments like this that show the ego of the upper level owners/coaches. This isn't real life where a bunch of kids are playing with no skill. This is simulated dot ball, and it is just as hard to be competitive at the Pee-Wee level with slower dots as it is at the World League level with faster dots. There are build considerations at both levels, as well as tactic adjustments and play calling choices that only skilled owners/coaches will do well in at either level. In other words, it takes just as much coaching talent to get to and remain in the WL as it does for PW Gold.
Something to consider is that good builds can make or break a WL team, where they are less of a factor at the PW level. At the Gold level, while it doesn't happen too often, a non-boosted, non-CEQ team has beaten a fully boosted & CEQ team. Since most of Gold has fairly similar builds, this comes down to coaching ability. While I don't know for sure, I doubt the same can be said for the WL.
While the skills are different, it takes just as much skill to be successful at PW as it does for the WL. I have yet to see a bunch of WL owners/coaches take a PW team to Gold. Granted the same can be said for the opposite, but it takes a long time to take a team to the WL or at least to the upper levels, where if you buy a Silver team, you have a shot at Gold in your 2nd season, but I still don't see any WL or upper level owned teams there.
While I doubt this will happen, a test would be a good idea. Give a top level upper league owner/coach full control of a PW Gold team and a top PW owner/coach full control of a WL or highly competitive upper league team and see who does better or adapts quicker. While I doubt either will be successful their 1st season, it would be interesting to see which does better and who adapts quicker their 2nd season.
PW owners/coaches just say we are as good as the upper level owners/coaches, but the upper level owners/coaches think there is little to no skill at the Pee-Wee level and thus think they are superior to PW owners/coaches, which is where the ego comes in. Which do you think it is?
You and a few others in peewee are just as elitist as some of the WLers, tbh. You are a big fish in a small pond and that pond shrinks more and more with the passing seasons.
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Seriously, why don't I ever see you posting shit like that in the mains? Is it because you are comfortable in this small pond and don't want to step outside your comfort zone?
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I have done both.
Got SCSA to the WL twice (8-8 the first time, not so good the second time) as the OC. And run pretty much everything on the Pimps. And without a doubt it is much tougher and takes more skill at the WL level than PW Gold. Since the players can do more it just gives way more options. Not too mention it takes way more skill to build a player to 72 levels than 13-14 levels. Then throw in AEQ and VA's.
However that does not mean there is no skill in PW Gold because there is. I would probably compare it to a Pro League but with fewer CPU's
Got SCSA to the WL twice (8-8 the first time, not so good the second time) as the OC. And run pretty much everything on the Pimps. And without a doubt it is much tougher and takes more skill at the WL level than PW Gold. Since the players can do more it just gives way more options. Not too mention it takes way more skill to build a player to 72 levels than 13-14 levels. Then throw in AEQ and VA's.
However that does not mean there is no skill in PW Gold because there is. I would probably compare it to a Pro League but with fewer CPU's
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Agree Bevo. I have stated similar things to my previous post in the past and people take it as if I'm a peewee hater. I have been a part of peewee in some fashion every season since it's existed (owner/coordinator/agent) so I obviously don't hate PW or I wouldn't always be a part of it. My contention is that there are a tiny minority of people in peewee that do not understand that the number of good/great owners and coordinators at this site gunning for peewee Gold is much, much, much smaller than the amount of trying to make it to WL.
Edited by Dub J on Jan 7, 2011 21:22:10
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It takes a hell of a lot more dedication to get to WL...more than 1 year to see your players perform for what 2 seasons? Jeez
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