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enasty19
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Originally posted by imokdawg
I like how the sim is this season, Although I do not like the 70 runs up the middle in hopes of getting the 3 yards per carry. I really try to play balanced but that doesn't work well against the better teams, but I will keep trying.

There has got to be someway they can add "in game" adjustments to the AI if a team is going to run it 70 times. That or make the repeat play penalty apply to the same "type" play as opposed to just the same "exact" play, ie. strong side sweep, off tackle, slam etc.


But those runs up the middle can be stopped from gameplanning. There is a reason you can adjust the DPC, and use it to your advantage. If a team runs 70 times a game, with 50 being inside, stack your box. The good teams will then throw you off and pass, and yes, the good teams will have success.

Just using an example from your team Stoner, http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494585 , you ran 11 times, and passed 26. Now given you only had 37 plays, 70% of your plays were pass.

Example: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=301128011 66% of the plays were passes, and all 16 first downs were from Passing. In return, they came out with 24 rushing attempts, 13 yards. Similar to your 11 rushes, 13 yards.

Balance is the key, and no team throws 70% consistently and is successful. Passing opens up the run.
 
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It isn't more balanced... what kind of a joke is that.

Because 1 Team (UT Pimps) did good without changing their offense up at all during the whole season doesn't mean that the sim wasn't balanced.

Take for instance:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1430889

Look what happens when someone changes their defense up to stop those plays they rode all season?

Here you also see the ONLY other time a very solid pass defense faced off against Lunch Box:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1424273

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1420423

No matter how "good" the passing game was last season it was possible for a defense to stop by committing to it.

Last season... minus the pump fake... was a VERY balanced sim... a team that was capable of both passing and running the ball that didn't commit to the pass or the run:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1432545

The league champions, you know... were MUCH better off than any team who passed 100% or ran 100%:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1430890

Watch this game and see Maine get dominated by a balanced attack against their pass heavy defense... and run straight into a wall with there rush-first offense against FG's rush heavy defense.


Last season you could play a team and win the game... this season... I dare you to try to pass the ball the majority of the time and not struggle against a rush heavy defense filled with single coverage...

YOU CAN'T PASS THIS SEASON

everyone in the league is slowly but surely switching to a VERY run heavy defense... so of course by season end we'll break a few long passes here and there... and were all going to start riding the HB passes.... so passing MAY look like its working... but it will only be because a pass will almost always be called against a rush heavy defense... NOT because passing is actually functioning right now.


SHOW ME ONE GAME this season that shows evidence of a pass heavy team doing well against a decent defense... and I'll shut up... the thing is it doesn't exist.
 
iStoner
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LOL@ that post enasty...

You don't "set up" stuff in GLB.... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can run ISlam 20 times and it won't make a damn difference on play 21 that you pass... the team will still play the pass the same way as if you ran it one of any of the first 20 plays.

Because of this it must be possible for a team to pass the ball on first second third or fourth down... assuming the defense is weak against the pass.

That is not the case.

End of story.
 
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD

SHOW ME ONE GAME this season that shows evidence of a pass heavy team doing well against a decent defense... and I'll shut up... the thing is it doesn't exist.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1492638

My pass heavy team vs Dirty. Not sure if he tried or not. 55% comp rate is about right. Ypa is a little low due to the fact that it was more focused on hitting HB/FBs.

I agree though, passing does need just a little more boost than what it currently is.

 
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
LOL@ that post enasty...

You don't "set up" stuff in GLB.... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can run ISlam 20 times and it won't make a damn difference on play 21 that you pass... the team will still play the pass the same way as if you ran it one of any of the first 20 plays.

Because of this it must be possible for a team to pass the ball on first second third or fourth down... assuming the defense is weak against the pass.

That is not the case.

End of story.




Are you serious??

I guess you could be correct if every single team you face only uses 1 defensive play and no auto-adjust. Then you are correct. Other than that...you just made yourself look very, very silly.
 
iStoner
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! auto adjust working with defense
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/cackle.
 
iStoner
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Originally posted by Deluca0903
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1492638

My pass heavy team vs Dirty. Not sure if he tried or not. 55% comp rate is about right. Ypa is a little low due to the fact that it was more focused on hitting HB/FBs.

I agree though, passing does need just a little more boost than what it currently is.



What I saw in that game is that:

Yes, if you leave a wide out covered by a LB passing does SOMEWHAT work.
 
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! auto adjust working with defense
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/cackle.


Ahahahaha wait...ummm...uhhhh...yeah auto adjust works with the D.


If you think Maine's D was geared to stop the pass then you are dead fucking wrong. They ran a 4-3 last season with 7 men in the box. The only thing that made their D great WAS the balance between the pass and the run...

 
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! auto adjust working with defense
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/cackle.


That calls for a double...



With maybe the exception of FG go watch some of the top defenses.
 
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Originally posted by zmj44
Ahahahaha wait...ummm...uhhhh...yeah auto adjust works with the D.


If you think Maine's D was geared to stop the pass then you are dead fucking wrong. They ran a 4-3 last season with 7 men in the box. The only thing that made their D great WAS the balance between the pass and the run...



He's a fool, don't even bother. Yes, the sim isn't perfect, but look at LB's pass attempts:

Starting during the regular season, and including all scrims:

LB Has 201 pass attempts. Out of their top 11 plays, 9 of them are primarily deep routes, or only have 1-2 MAX WRs that are left in the short to medium range. This makes up 118 of those pass plays. Given, I'd notch that down to about 30 that were actually thrown to WRs running short patterns (most of the "short" patterns were at least 10 yards deep on the cut). Leaving around 90 pass plays going to deep receivers/taken as sacks.

In the update, it was noted long passes would be tougher and there would be a bigger bonus to coverage + passes deep wouldn't be accurate. Those changes aren't even intended for PW, so imagine the effect they should have on us. Like I said in the other thread, you aren't going to get away with your horseshit 30 yard passes into triple coverage. Getting tipped and still being caught.

Edited by enasty19 on Nov 30, 2010 17:35:30
 
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Originally posted by zmj44
Ahahahaha wait...ummm...uhhhh...yeah auto adjust works with the D.


If you think Maine's D was geared to stop the pass then you are dead fucking wrong. They ran a 4-3 last season with 7 men in the box. The only thing that made their D great WAS the balance between the pass and the run...



Maybe against YOU. but Maine ran a very pass heavy defense against us. They double teamed every receiver?
 
iStoner
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Originally posted by enasty19
He's a fool, don't even bother. Yes, the sim isn't perfect, but look at LB's pass attempts:

Starting during the regular season, and including all scrims:

LB Has 201 pass attempts. Out of their top 11 plays, 9 of them are primarily deep routes, or only have 1-2 MAX WRs that are left in the short to medium range. This makes up 118 of those pass plays. Given, I'd notch that down to about 30 that were actually thrown to WRs running short patterns (most of the "short" patterns were at least 10 yards deep on the cut). Leaving around 90 pass plays going to deep receivers/taken as sacks.

In the update, it was noted long passes would be tougher and there would be a bigger bonus to coverage + passes deep wouldn't be accurate. Those changes aren't even intended for PW, so imagine the effect they should have on us. Like I said in the other thread, you aren't going to get away with your horseshit 30 yard passes into triple coverage. Getting tipped and still being caught.



Can't come back for 10 seconds without turning your opinion differing from mine into an insult? can you?

See you in another 5 days?
 
iStoner
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There is no pass longer than 20 yards until well into the peewee season... the dots just don't make it near that far.
 
enasty19
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
Can't come back for 10 seconds without turning your opinion differing from mine into an insult? can you?

See you in another 5 days?


Your not even comparing stats. Your comparing things pulled from your ass. Like I said, your expecting to keep completing this 30 yard bombs in triple coverage. That's just not realistic at all, and because your not having success this season, your complaining. Where were you last season when people were complaining about PF? Oh that's right, you were out trying to figure out ways to exploit it for the play-offs.
 
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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
Originally posted by zmj44

Ahahahaha wait...ummm...uhhhh...yeah auto adjust works with the D.


If you think Maine's D was geared to stop the pass then you are dead fucking wrong. They ran a 4-3 last season with 7 men in the box. The only thing that made their D great WAS the balance between the pass and the run...



Maybe against YOU. but Maine ran a very pass heavy defense against us. They double teamed every receiver?


Almost everybody was doubling both (or all 3) of the receivers and the TE last year. If you run routes with only 3 receivers it's very easy to do (and still be stout against the run).
 
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