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Originally posted by DanceTheSpears
Originally posted by Novus

They're claiming sovreignty under the 10th amendment.

The 10th amendment is easily the most-ignored Constitutional amendment today, even more than the 1st and 2nd. What it says is that any powers that the Constitution doesn't specifically grant to the federal government should instead be granted to either the state governments or the people.

To put it in layman's terms... "Hey, Feds! See this piece of paper? It's called the Constitution. If this piece of paper doesn't SPECIFICALLY say you're allowed to do something, you're not allowed to do it. So bite me!"




And thus ends my participation in this thread. Internet arguments over politics never end well. I just wanted to frame the beginning of the debate in the hopes that page 1 and perhaps page 2 will actually contain interesting and compelling debate before the flame-war opens on page 3.

I have a feeling that the Commerce Clause and the "Necessary and Proper" clause take care of your objections.

I have a feeling that Big Government politicians have used those clauses to take sovreignity away from the states for so long that most people in this country have no clue it's wrong.

See what comes from letting the government teach our kids about government...?

Originally posted by juz
Originally posted by Cocky Mfer

Ok, so just to clarify, Oklahomans aren't illiterate morons. With that said, this is the first I've heard of this, but it's also something Texas has had in place for years. They are allowed to declare sovereignty any time they please.

If only this were true but it is a myth, we do not have any such right nor does any state in the USA, just look at the civil war.

The Civil War began with a confederacy of states that seceded (read, left) the union (unity, united, United States). A state (or confederacy of states) can secede, its a matter of how the remaining union takes it. In the case of the Civil War, not well.

You know we live in them thar new fangled houses. Complete with a state of the art water cooler for them thar hot days in Okiehomie.

Seriously, we are not as stupid and rednecked as some people believe we are. I have lived in Oklahoma all my life, graduated from OU with a degree in Engineering plus have a beautiful wife and two kids. Most people in this state are just like anyone else in the country.

Do you live in the pan or the handle?

Originally posted by Ardmore Sooner
You know we live in them thar new fangled houses. Complete with a state of the art water cooler for them thar hot days in Okiehomie.

Seriously, we are not as stupid and rednecked as some people believe we are. I have lived in Oklahoma all my life, graduated from OU with a degree in Engineering plus have a beautiful wife and two kids. Most people in this state are just like anyone else in the country.

yeah thats true for a lot of places, alabama isnt as backwards as people say either, but u learn to overlook peoples comments

Originally posted by bamaplaya1
Originally posted by Ardmore Sooner

You know we live in them thar new fangled houses. Complete with a state of the art water cooler for them thar hot days in Okiehomie.

Seriously, we are not as stupid and rednecked as some people believe we are. I have lived in Oklahoma all my life, graduated from OU with a degree in Engineering plus have a beautiful wife and two kids. Most people in this state are just like anyone else in the country.

yeah thats true for a lot of places, alabama isnt as backwards as people say either, but u learn to overlook peoples comments

Frick 'em, they're just Yankees anyway...

Originally posted by LaserJudas
*Federal Government*

Don't like it? Ok.

*withdraws all Federal funding, relocates all Federal jobs and waits to watch Oklahoma collapse under its own arrogance*
You mean like the federal jobs that were located in that building in Oklahoma city? The one bombed by," Timothy McVeigh". The one where all the FBI guys mysteriously were not there that day ? The one where all those innocent children died? The same city where a law enforcement officer who was about to tell what he knew about something, that someone did not want people to know, mysteriously got dead before he could? That same incident nicely wrapped in contraversey and neatly tucked away?Jeebus what shall the poor folk of Oklahoma do without the Feds? How about tell them to f**k themselves in thier collective corrupted asses. That Janet Reno, what a gal, huh?Sure glad we got to vote for her...oh wait.Then there's that one great American hero FBI directer,what was his name again, you know the one who was hush hush queer, the one with all the secret files about "THE COMMIES", Those evil commies who took up residence out there in California and the ones lurking amongst us "unkown". How about we withdraw your DNA from the gene pool? That would be a step in the right direction for all the other states. It won't affect the folks in Oklahoma, cause the last collapse that was in Oklahoma was,in fact, from arrogance, you've nailed that part right.It was the arrogance of piss-ignorant people like you, who support the arrogance of branches of Government.You know the one who decided for the poor people of America, that they have the right to operate in "secrecy" to better protect them.I agree, if you're a pussy, get you some protection.Let the Government tuck your trembling ass in every night with a warm blanket of secrecy.Go ahead and believe you can't survive without them. Oklahoma might well collapse, but it would be from IGNORANCE not ARROGANCE. That is, if we subscribe to your ignorance. Now shut your ignorant trap,cuddle up with your little warm "securuty" blanket and lay there and ruminate in your pussy mind, that no-one can survive with-out the protection of their "big brother" Grow some balls of your own and spit the federal ones you been suckin' on out. Now, don't forget to get the freakin grammar police on me.I just figured if you're gonna communicate with ignorance use tools they can recognize. Have a nice day. Oh and good luck with spouting your garbage face to face with any parent here in Oklahoma who lost a child that day. If you're lucky, the Feds will get there before they beat your ass to a pulp.Should not be a problem because with all that "federal funding" we are so graciously recieving ,that you speak of, you know, that freaking funding that BELONGS to the AMERCAN PEOPLE, that funding that's taken from the check you recieve after YOU work hard for it,you know that funding that they use from those taxes you pay. Those funds your so freakin' scared about them pulling.......What a pussy..an ignorant pussy

Originally posted by ndanger
Originally posted by LaserJudas

*Federal Government*

Don't like it? Ok.

*withdraws all Federal funding, relocates all Federal jobs and waits to watch Oklahoma collapse under its own arrogance*
You mean like the federal jobs that were located in that building in Oklahoma city? The one bombed by," Timothy McVeigh". The one where all the FBI guys mysteriously were not there that day ? The one where all those innocent children died? The same city where a law enforcement officer who was about to tell what he knew about something, that someone did not want people to know, mysteriously got dead before he could? That same incident nicely wrapped in contraversey and neatly tucked away?Jeebus what shall the poor folk of Oklahoma do without the Feds? How about tell them to f**k themselves in thier collective corrupted asses. That Janet Reno, what a gal, huh?Sure glad we got to vote for her...oh wait.Then there's that one great American hero FBI directer,what was his name again, you know the one who was hush hush queer, the one with all the secret files about "THE COMMIES", Those evil commies who took up residence out there in California and the ones lurking amongst us "unkown". How about we withdraw your DNA from the gene pool? That would be a step in the right direction for all the other states. It won't affect the folks in Oklahoma, cause the last collapse that was in Oklahoma was,in fact, from arrogance, you've nailed that part right.It was the arrogance of piss-ignorant people like you, who support the arrogance of branches of Government.You know the one who decided for the poor people of America, that they have the right to operate in "secrecy" to better protect them.I agree, if you're a pussy, get you some protection.Let the Government tuck your trembling ass in every night with a warm blanket of secrecy.Go ahead and believe you can't survive without them. Oklahoma might well collapse, but it would be from IGNORANCE not ARROGANCE. That is, if we subscribe to your ignorance. Now shut your ignorant trap,cuddle up with your little warm "securuty" blanket and lay there and ruminate in your pussy mind, that no-one can survive with-out the protection of their "big brother" Grow some balls of your own and spit the federal ones you been suckin' on out. Now, don't forget to get the freakin grammar police on me.I just figured if you're gonna communicate with ignorance use tools they can recognize. Have a nice day. Oh and good luck with spouting your garbage face to face with any parent here in Oklahoma who lost a child that day. If you're lucky, the Feds will get there before they beat your ass to a pulp.Should not be a problem because with all that "federal funding" we are so graciously recieving ,that you speak of, you know, that freaking funding that BELONGS to the AMERCAN PEOPLE, that funding that's taken from the check you recieve after YOU work hard for it,you know that funding that they use from those taxes you pay. Those funds your so freakin' scared about them pulling.......What a pussy..an ignorant pussy



Wow. Go Oklahoma?

keep it guys, this is how info spreads in the year 2008, once again the link is:

http://www.okhouse.gov/51LEG/Leg_Votesxx.aspx?include=okh01983.txt

-Jake

Originally posted by JoSCh
Originally posted by juz

Originally posted by Cocky Mfer


Ok, so just to clarify, Oklahomans aren't illiterate morons. With that said, this is the first I've heard of this, but it's also something Texas has had in place for years. They are allowed to declare sovereignty any time they please.

If only this were true but it is a myth, we do not have any such right nor does any state in the USA, just look at the civil war.

The Civil War began with a confederacy of states that seceded (read, left) the union (unity, united, United States). A state (or confederacy of states) can secede, its a matter of how the remaining union takes it. In the case of the Civil War, not well.

You might want to re read the 2 post you quoted and then ponder on why you comment doesn't make any sense

A myth is simply a common belief that has been proven wrong, but is still believed.

-Jake

Originally posted by shield.bearer
Originally posted by DanceTheSpears


I have a feeling that the Commerce Clause and the "Necessary and Proper" clause take care of your objections.

I have a feeling that Big Government politicians have used those clauses to take sovreignity away from the states for so long that most people in this country have no clue it's wrong.

See what comes from letting the government teach our kids about government...?

Well, it's in the constitution. Please explain how it qualifies as "wrong."

Originally posted by juz
Originally posted by JoSCh

Originally posted by juz


Originally posted by Cocky Mfer



Ok, so just to clarify, Oklahomans aren't illiterate morons. With that said, this is the first I've heard of this, but it's also something Texas has had in place for years. They are allowed to declare sovereignty any time they please.

If only this were true but it is a myth, we do not have any such right nor does any state in the USA, just look at the civil war.

The Civil War began with a confederacy of states that seceded (read, left) the union (unity, united, United States). A state (or confederacy of states) can secede, its a matter of how the remaining union takes it. In the case of the Civil War, not well.

You might want to re read the 2 post you quoted and then ponder on why you comment doesn't make any sense

Your statement "If only this were true but it is a myth, we do not have any such right nor does any state in the USA, just look at the civil war." is the second post I quoted.

Please, tell me why a state or confederacy of states can't secede. Provide a link if possible. And I'll provide a link showing that not only can they, but they in fact did. Ponder that Jonny Pretentious.

State governments do have the right of sovereignty. Read the post about the 10th amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Should have paid more attention in history/government/law in high school!

Originally posted by bolo_76
State governments do have the right of sovereignty. Read the post about the 10th amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Should have paid more attention in history/government/law in high school!

And for some reason, I still have the feeling that the commerce clause and the "necessary and proper" clause are enough to allow federal laws concerning immigration.

In fact, I think immigration, commerce, and foreign affairs was the reason why our current constitution was adopted, after the previous one didn't work out. A stronger federal government was developed that had the power to legislate those areas.