homage really is a turrible person srezly
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Why can't everyone of your posts be like that? You don't just say Stonewall sucks you break down why it does suck. I don't think jumping to 61 is useless it helps with diving tackles and swat balls. I think you would see a ton more Swat Ball's if the D line would invest in jumping. Just take a look at some world league plays....NT Could have swatted this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1492151&pbp_id=290499
LE had a small chance at this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1492151&pbp_id=291623
NT could have swatted this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1492151&pbp_id=293205
Now I'm not saying my theory is perfect I could completely bomb with my build plans. I do however think that if you build the right DE 61 jumping is not over doing it.
Here is a play where I think stonewall would have kept the oline tighter together and not given the RB a huge gap to run through. Of course I have never had the stonewall VA so I don't know. VA resets are nice
.http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1492151&pbp_id=294987
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Because I'm clearly a dick. And this:
Originally posted by whatje
homage really is a turrible person srezly
Also... Stonewall wouldn't have helped at all in that case (the last play with the rush). The hole already existed pres-nap as the D-line orientation had a HUGE hole up the middle. The only way for the D-line to have any impact on that play would have required them to break the blocks and move inward. They were pretty much screwed before the play even happened. That was a scheme issue more than a build issue.
Oh and thanks for showing a link where my shitty FB manhandled the MB. At least he's doing something worthwhile this season.
And I agree it would help... I once thought about going with 1 capped jumping on all d-linemen with a 6-8 height, but I think it has a lot more to do with positioning and crushing the pocket than the ability to jump. But here's some examples of PD's from my guys:
Massive (28 jump):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1492879&pbp_id=1266095
(I wonder if more jumping would've made that a sack... but the cost of bringing jump up may have not allowed him to get into that position - hence the cost I was discussing)
Frances (21 jump):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1434013&pbp_id=1799661
(although it's pretty clear Streaky fired on this game... he was absolutely ridiculous)
My DE Charm had a PD, but it was against a WEPL team and I won't bother linking that. I feel that it isn't worthwhile for DE's aside from helping in sack reach and tackle reach. DE's are rarely in position to make a PD on a QB as most throws are from the middle and DE's are usually pushed wide in containment etc. I could see it being worthwhile to test out for NT/DT's and for a while there I wanted to make an entire line of with 2nd cap jumping that were 6-8, but I couldn't bring myself to finish the product. Also, I'm not about to start 4 new D-linemen just for that purpose. I already have enough flex invested, don't need more.
Originally posted by whatje
homage really is a turrible person srezly
Also... Stonewall wouldn't have helped at all in that case (the last play with the rush). The hole already existed pres-nap as the D-line orientation had a HUGE hole up the middle. The only way for the D-line to have any impact on that play would have required them to break the blocks and move inward. They were pretty much screwed before the play even happened. That was a scheme issue more than a build issue.
Oh and thanks for showing a link where my shitty FB manhandled the MB. At least he's doing something worthwhile this season.
And I agree it would help... I once thought about going with 1 capped jumping on all d-linemen with a 6-8 height, but I think it has a lot more to do with positioning and crushing the pocket than the ability to jump. But here's some examples of PD's from my guys:
Massive (28 jump
):http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1492879&pbp_id=1266095
(I wonder if more jumping would've made that a sack... but the cost of bringing jump up may have not allowed him to get into that position - hence the cost I was discussing)
Frances (21 jump
):http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1434013&pbp_id=1799661
(although it's pretty clear Streaky fired on this game... he was absolutely ridiculous)
My DE Charm had a PD, but it was against a WEPL team and I won't bother linking that. I feel that it isn't worthwhile for DE's aside from helping in sack reach and tackle reach. DE's are rarely in position to make a PD on a QB as most throws are from the middle and DE's are usually pushed wide in containment etc. I could see it being worthwhile to test out for NT/DT's and for a while there I wanted to make an entire line of with 2nd cap jumping that were 6-8, but I couldn't bring myself to finish the product. Also, I'm not about to start 4 new D-linemen just for that purpose. I already have enough flex invested, don't need more.
Edited by Homage on Nov 18, 2010 02:04:23
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Given this against a horrible team and the only reason my DE is playing on that team is cause I signed a 3 season contract by accident 
. Oh well though it doesn't really matter til plateau anymore anyways 
. Here's 61 jumping on a DE. The main reason I got jumping that high was in hopes of giving me a larger diving tackle radius so I could hopefully tackle RB running by me while I'm being blocked.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1434196&pbp_id=1188866
Screen passes are the biggest reason for having jumping at 61.... I am contemplating investing in Swat ball and Towering Man. I Gotta see how well it works against competition that is my level though. So far in the games where I'm outlevel'd by 5 levels or so I haven't got a single PD this season.
. Oh well though it doesn't really matter til plateau anymore anyways . Here's 61 jumping on a DE. The main reason I got jumping that high was in hopes of giving me a larger diving tackle radius so I could hopefully tackle RB running by me while I'm being blocked.http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1434196&pbp_id=1188866
Screen passes are the biggest reason for having jumping at 61.... I am contemplating investing in Swat ball and Towering Man. I Gotta see how well it works against competition that is my level though. So far in the games where I'm outlevel'd by 5 levels or so I haven't got a single PD this season.
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Originally posted by direfire
Given this against a horrible team and the only reason my DE is playing on that team is cause I signed a 3 season contract by accident . Oh well though it doesn't really matter til plateau anymore anyways . Here's 61 jumping on a DE. The main reason I got jumping that high was in hopes of giving me a larger diving tackle radius so I could hopefully tackle RB running by me while I'm being blocked.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1434196&pbp_id=1188866
Screen passes are the biggest reason for having jumping at 61.... I am contemplating investing in Swat ball and Towering Man. I Gotta see how well it works against competition that is my level though. So far in the games where I'm outlevel'd by 5 levels or so I haven't got a single PD this season.
Agreed on defending the screen being probably the best argument for jumping at DE. Not sure if it's a better investment than vision though.
Given this against a horrible team and the only reason my DE is playing on that team is cause I signed a 3 season contract by accident
. Oh well though it doesn't really matter til plateau anymore anyways . Here's 61 jumping on a DE. The main reason I got jumping that high was in hopes of giving me a larger diving tackle radius so I could hopefully tackle RB running by me while I'm being blocked.http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1434196&pbp_id=1188866
Screen passes are the biggest reason for having jumping at 61.... I am contemplating investing in Swat ball and Towering Man. I Gotta see how well it works against competition that is my level though. So far in the games where I'm outlevel'd by 5 levels or so I haven't got a single PD this season.
Agreed on defending the screen being probably the best argument for jumping at DE. Not sure if it's a better investment than vision though.
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