Warrior General Games

Originally posted by whatje
jumping.

the 1 SA thing is wrong for a lot of positions.

also, i dont know why you guys seem to think WRs are gonna take speed to 90+ off the bat...seems high to me.

thats exactly why -some- WRs are going to do it. some people think its too high, and so they go to that extreme and all the people who didnt think they would, wind up getting burned.

will there be a ton of 160+ speed WRs? maybe not... at least outside of WL and top pro teams, but there will be some, and they will make their presence felt (albeit pretty much just in the first quarter -- half tops), and so teams will need a CB or two that has higher speed to help keep them in check or you will wind up playing catch up for the rest of the game... which i guess given the current morale system, letting them score on you right away, may not be a bad thing

Originally posted by house54hoops
I am curious now with all the arguing. What would you do with this guy?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1507868


tell you to open build?

Originally posted by Underdawg08
tell you to open build?

I had it open but I will open again.

Originally posted by house54hoops
I am curious now with all the arguing. What would you do with this guy?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1507868


Jumping to 68, strength to 50, stamina to 50-55. You're also going to want to pick up a PD% piece or two and pump SB and SDC. I also prefer going higher SV, but with that high of vision and your avoid fake piece, you might be okay not throwing too many sps in there.

it would be an okay build for stopping faster WRs from being passed the ball in that the WRs he is covering should be less open than if a slower CB was covering him (although a lvl 72+ CB with 115-120 speed should be able to handle a 140+ speed WR, which is what most speed WRs are at right now, fairly well.) but as soon as that ball is passed to the WR you are covering, you might have issues batting it down with your low jumping. speed WRs will actually have more jumping than that. ive seen quite a few speedster WRs with jumping in the mid 60's. and then your SAs are, of course, very lacking. and for me, someone who loves CB SAs, that would be a red flag for me. and get rid of track star.

that all being said... would your CB be my first choice? no, i would much rather have a CB with 8 less speed and ~20 more jumping. but i do think that most teams would be better off with at least 1 CB that has higher speed than normal at the cost of a cap in jumping and strength.

but i would try do what LH said. i know if you use the rest of your SPs (assuming lvl 72), then you can get SB to 8, SH to 4, SV to 8, SO to 1, and SDC to 2 (but with AEQ, that goes to 8), and then add 1 to all those because of custom (so your top tree would be 9-5-9-2-9) and then 2-4-0-0-0 in your bottom tree and you would have 21 SP left over. 21 SP is good for a cap in jumping, and then if you skip SV (as LH said, your vision is pretty good, so you might be good on that front with avoid fake %), thats another 20 SP you can use for jumping to get it 68.

Thanks for the input. I planned to take him to 68 jumping next but I just wondered what you thought. I do plan to work on the SA's but I really want to get as much value as possible out of my sp's. Even if it is a minor it still could help later.

Originally posted by house54hoops
Thanks for the input. I planned to take him to 68 jumping next but I just wondered what you thought. I do plan to work on the SA's but I really want to get as much value as possible out of my sp's. Even if it is a minor it still could help later.



Agreed. Starting your SAs around level 60 is usually a good start point. If you do decide on neglecting SV, aiming for 9 base SB, 3 base SDC (with AEQ there), and 8 CD would be ideal.

fwiw, 120 speed CBs can't handle 140 speed WRs very well at all.

also, even taking a WR to 91 speed right of the bat will not get you very close to 168 speed. you end at like 160 w/ all EQ and AEQ there. also i tend to think super vision is overrated....and for whatever reason avoid fake aeq seems to do nothing. would double stack pass deflect % instead.

Originally posted by whatje
fwiw, 120 speed CBs can't handle 140 speed WRs very well at all.

also, even taking a WR to 91 speed right of the bat will not get you very close to 168 speed. you end at like 160 w/ all EQ and AEQ there. also i tend to think super vision is overrated....and for whatever reason avoid fake aeq seems to do nothing. would double stack pass deflect % instead.

It depends on the route. Unless the route has a significant horizontal component (those crossing routes), a CB with 120 speed can keep up with a 140 speed WR. On those crossing routes, it doesn't matter the CB's speed, he isn't keeping up.

A WR who takes speed to 91 under the new ALGs will end up with 100 base speed. That with 58 EQ from speed, 4.5 speed from track star, and 5 speed on a good day from streaky will end up at 167.5 speed. That's what we can expect to see from speedster WRs in the future.

I also agree on going stacked double PD%, though I'd combine it with stacked double INT% as well. I'm still a fan of SV, and tend to not be a huge fan of avoid fake.

forgot you guys took into account streaky and all that jazz in calculating speed

120 CBs have trouble with crossing and vertical routes against WRs that fast from what i've noticed...and since that accounts for basically all the routes an OC will use a 140+ speed WR on, 120 is probably too slow if you ever expect to cover those guys.

actually, a 120 speed CB will be able to keep up with a 140 WR on vertical routes (have to remember that pretty much as soon as that ball is thrown, that CB has 140+ speed too... BH ftw). as LH said, its primarily the crossing routes that they will have issues with, and at that point, its going to be hard to keep up with them no matter how high your speed is.

Originally posted by Worker 3
actually, a 120 speed CB will be able to keep up with a 140 WR on vertical routes (have to remember that pretty much as soon as that ball is thrown, that CB has 140+ speed too... BH ftw). as LH said, its primarily the crossing routes that they will have issues with, and at that point, its going to be hard to keep up with them no matter how high your speed is.

except they don't. but ok.

Most WL CB's are running with about 130/100 speed/agility. They didn't get there by going 73/73. If anyone here thinks a 140 speed CB will be enough you're just flat out wrong. Just the same as you're wrong if you think a 120 speed CB an keep up with a 145 speed WR. Sure maybe on certain routes, but any OC worth a damn will exploit CB's like that with fast WR's.

77/77/77 is easy to go after and still easily hit 68 jumping, 60+ strength/tackling, and 50+ stamina/confidence.

Originally posted by 7jack11
Most WL CB's are running with about 130/100 speed/agility. They didn't get there by going 73/73. If anyone here thinks a 140 speed CB will be enough you're just flat out wrong. Just the same as you're wrong if you think a 120 speed CB an keep up with a 145 speed WR. Sure maybe on certain routes, but any OC worth a damn will exploit CB's like that with fast WR's.

77/77/77 is easy to go after and still easily hit 68 jumping, 60+ strength/tackling, and 50+ stamina/confidence.

pretty boring.