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PING72
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
Originally posted by OH-IO

I agree. If you want to see a copper team win a tourney championship, go to the Copper tournament.


I don't WANT any one team in particular to win. I just want to give a fair shake to those other guys. Perhaps I could just offer up an official prize for the Copper and Silver Tourneys, and reduce the field for the official tourney to 64 with the World Cup Style.

How's that sound?

Originally posted by Dead.Ed

I also don't like the forced scheduling that the Official tourney does, as it never takes into account number of games played between 2 teams.


Fair enough, but before I got the forced scrim option we ran into teams scheduling their matches late, or me having to PM them to remind them to schedule. You may be very crisp in your scheduling, but I'm sure you understand that when dealing with 128 teams, there's a 0% chance that you can expect every single game will be scheduled on time during the course of the tourney.

 

However, I can look into the scheduling of early on odd days and late on even days. You may need to remind me next season though. That would help.


Remember guys, I'm just kicking around ideas here. Keep posting feedback and we'll work to come up with something that makes the most possible people happy.


I like your idea of making an 'official' copper & silver tournament, along with the WC-style 'Ultimate tourney'. That gives every team a legitimate shot at winning an official tournament.

I think if there is an official copper & silver tourneys, then any gold team that wants in the WC-style tourney should definitely get preference (b/c it's their only option). Perhaps after that, go with previous year's records amongst silver teams to fill out the rest of the 64 (I'd suggest now allowing brand new copper teams to enter, give them another reason to re-up their ownership).

With just 64 teams, it would be easy to seed as well:
*First, distribute the gold teams who were in gold the year before into the 8 pools.
*Second, distribute the teams who were in silver the year before based upon record (you might as well just put the new gold teams into this category, b/c they'll be at the top of this list anyway) who had at least 10 wins.
*Third, distribute the copper champs.
*Fourth, distribute the 8 & 9 win silver teams.
*Fifth, copper runner-ups.

By that point you should have 64 teams. If you need help ranking the list (b/c you'll have to check each team's previous year record), I would volunteer, as I'm sure several others would as well.
Edited by PING72 on Mar 11, 2010 12:27:01
 
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
However, I can look into the scheduling of early on odd days and late on even days. You may need to remind me next season though. That would help.

I think this is the best possible solution. +1

Originally posted by DrkSandman
I could just offer up an official prize for the Copper and Silver Tourneys, and reduce the field for the official tourney to 64 with the World Cup Style.

I like this as well. Having an official copper/silver would give those teams a field to compete in. Particularly copper teams are at a huge disadvantage against the top tier teams, because recruiting for copper is far more difficult, and many people refuse to spend flex on boosting or CE in copper leagues.

I agree with PING that we should give preference to gold teams in the other tournament. After all of the gold teams are seeded, I think we should do something like this order:
1) Gold teams that were in gold last season, sorted by playoff success and regular season record
2) Gold teams that were in silver last season
3) Silver conference champs that lost in the league championsihp last season (regardless of season record) - these are probably the best teams that aren't in gold
4) Silver teams that were in gold last season (they were obviously very good at some point, if not so great last season)
5) Silver teams with 1 playoff win last season
6) Silver teams that were copper league champs last season
7) Silver teams that were copper conference champs last season
8) Silver teams sorted by previous season's regular season record. If they were in silver, they get 2 points per win. If they were in copper, they get 1 pt per win. Copper teams with 1 playoff win would get 2 points for that playoff win. That makes a silver 8-8 equal to a copper 16-0 (assuming neither did anything in their respective playoffs). It also makes a 16-0, 1-1 copper team equal to an 8-8, 0-1 silver team.
9) Copper teams

That order would not only be who gets in, but sorting in that order (and distributing among the pools round-robin) would help get the best teams spread around the pools to begin with.
 
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Originally posted by Gongadan
Originally posted by DrkSandman

However, I can look into the scheduling of early on odd days and late on even days. You may need to remind me next season though. That would help.

I think this is the best possible solution. +1

Originally posted by DrkSandman

I could just offer up an official prize for the Copper and Silver Tourneys, and reduce the field for the official tourney to 64 with the World Cup Style.

I like this as well. Having an official copper/silver would give those teams a field to compete in. Particularly copper teams are at a huge disadvantage against the top tier teams, because recruiting for copper is far more difficult, and many people refuse to spend flex on boosting or CE in copper leagues.

I agree with PING that we should give preference to gold teams in the other tournament. After all of the gold teams are seeded, I think we should do something like this order:
1) Gold teams that were in gold last season, sorted by playoff success and regular season record
2) Gold teams that were in silver last season
3) Silver conference champs that lost in the league championsihp last season (regardless of season record) - these are probably the best teams that aren't in gold
4) Silver teams that were in gold last season (they were obviously very good at some point, if not so great last season)
5) Silver teams with 1 playoff win last season
6) Silver teams that were copper league champs last season
7) Silver teams that were copper conference champs last season
8) Silver teams sorted by previous season's regular season record. If they were in silver, they get 2 points per win. If they were in copper, they get 1 pt per win. Copper teams with 1 playoff win would get 2 points for that playoff win. That makes a silver 8-8 equal to a copper 16-0 (assuming neither did anything in their respective playoffs). It also makes a 16-0, 1-1 copper team equal to an 8-8, 0-1 silver team.
9) Copper teams

That order would not only be who gets in, but sorting in that order (and distributing among the pools round-robin) would help get the best teams spread around the pools to begin with.


I think this makes it too much of an elite tourney...I would say the gold teams should get preference due to the silver and coppers having their own tourneys, but after that it should be First teams in...but if it was a pool style tourney, have it with 16- 4 team pools, max 2 current Gold teams per pool...if all 32 gold teams dont sign up, then use the seeding to find the top 32 teams...after that randomly place the other 32 teams in the pools
 
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Originally posted by MGeezy2186
Originally posted by Gongadan

Originally posted by DrkSandman


However, I can look into the scheduling of early on odd days and late on even days. You may need to remind me next season though. That would help.

I think this is the best possible solution. +1

Originally posted by DrkSandman


I could just offer up an official prize for the Copper and Silver Tourneys, and reduce the field for the official tourney to 64 with the World Cup Style.

I like this as well. Having an official copper/silver would give those teams a field to compete in. Particularly copper teams are at a huge disadvantage against the top tier teams, because recruiting for copper is far more difficult, and many people refuse to spend flex on boosting or CE in copper leagues.

I agree with PING that we should give preference to gold teams in the other tournament. After all of the gold teams are seeded, I think we should do something like this order:
1) Gold teams that were in gold last season, sorted by playoff success and regular season record
2) Gold teams that were in silver last season
3) Silver conference champs that lost in the league championsihp last season (regardless of season record) - these are probably the best teams that aren't in gold
4) Silver teams that were in gold last season (they were obviously very good at some point, if not so great last season)
5) Silver teams with 1 playoff win last season
6) Silver teams that were copper league champs last season
7) Silver teams that were copper conference champs last season
8) Silver teams sorted by previous season's regular season record. If they were in silver, they get 2 points per win. If they were in copper, they get 1 pt per win. Copper teams with 1 playoff win would get 2 points for that playoff win. That makes a silver 8-8 equal to a copper 16-0 (assuming neither did anything in their respective playoffs). It also makes a 16-0, 1-1 copper team equal to an 8-8, 0-1 silver team.
9) Copper teams

That order would not only be who gets in, but sorting in that order (and distributing among the pools round-robin) would help get the best teams spread around the pools to begin with.


I think this makes it too much of an elite tourney...I would say the gold teams should get preference due to the silver and coppers having their own tourneys, but after that it should be First teams in...but if it was a pool style tourney, have it with 16- 4 team pools, max 2 current Gold teams per pool...if all 32 gold teams dont sign up, then use the seeding to find the top 32 teams...after that randomly place the other 32 teams in the pools


You afraid of a little competition??
Edited by PING72 on Mar 11, 2010 15:17:00
 
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
Fair enough, but before I got the forced scrim option we ran into teams scheduling their matches late, or me having to PM them to remind them to schedule. You may be very crisp in your scheduling, but I'm sure you understand that when dealing with 128 teams, there's a 0% chance that you can expect every single game will be scheduled on time during the course of the tourney.

 

However, I can look into the scheduling of early on odd days and late on even days. You may need to remind me next season though. That would help.


Remember guys, I'm just kicking around ideas here. Keep posting feedback and we'll work to come up with something that makes the most possible people happy.


Wait... my tourney gets stolen away? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by OH-IO
Wait... my tourney gets stolen away? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


You gonna give me flex for winning it this season? If not, I'll vote for Drk to run it next season.
 
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Originally posted by Gongadan
You gonna give me flex for winning it this season? If not, I'll vote for Drk to run it next season.


 
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You've done a great job with the copper tourney since you put it together, man. Maybe the new trophy could say "Haxx0rz" on one side and "OHIO" on the other or something.
 
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I like the idea as long as my future team gets in lol i havnt got them yet but i should
 
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Originally posted by OH-IO
Wait... my tourney gets stolen away? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


hey if this was official i probably wouldve gotten a final fou trophy

just messing with you man, you did a great job running the tourney. well done and i'm sure we all appreciate it
 
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Originally posted by junglejuice
hey if this was official i probably wouldve gotten a final fou trophy

just messing with you man, you did a great job running the tourney. well done and i'm sure we all appreciate it


What's "fou"????
 
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Originally posted by Gongadan


You've done a great job with the copper tourney since you put it together, man. Maybe the new trophy could say "Haxx0rz" on one side and "OHIO" on the other or something.


The Ohio Copper Tourney 1st Place... me likes.
 
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Originally posted by OH-IO
Wait... my tourney gets stolen away? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


No, sir. My preference would be to not poach your work. I'd rather just let the Silver/Copper tournaments continue to run as normal and provide a flex prize and name it "official."
 
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
No, sir. My preference would be to not poach your work. I'd rather just let the Silver/Copper tournaments continue to run as normal and provide a flex prize and name it "official."


Oh, so somebody would give flex as the prize, make it totally official, and I would still commission it? Sounds good to me.
 
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Originally posted by DrkSandman
No, sir. My preference would be to not poach your work. I'd rather just let the Silver/Copper tournaments continue to run as normal and provide a flex prize and name it "official."


I like this idea. +1
 
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