Warrior General Games

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
pbr game scout (you can find it on userscripts.org pretty easily)



AWESOME. Thanks! I assume you just go through game by game with that and add it up, right? There's no season total thing (that seems like hoping for too much).

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw the game log tab. Holy sweet fucking shit batman!

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
Has anyone else found game scout to be really inaccurate as far as specific target numbers go, though? Idk, just don't really trust it.

it includes poorly thrown balls

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
Has anyone else found game scout to be really inaccurate as far as specific target numbers go, though? Idk, just don't really trust it.

Always seemed pretty accurate to me tbh. Also, its far more accurate than nothing.

Originally posted by marcello
AWESOME. Thanks! I assume you just go through game by game with that and add it up, right? There's no season total thing (that seems like hoping for too much).

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw the game log tab. Holy sweet fucking shit batman!

Lol, it's a wonderful thing. Though keep in mind there are factors that effect your catch% outside of your WR's control, though it gives a nice baseline to compare against the rest of your team.

Originally posted by Djinnt
You'd probably shit yourself if I told you how much vision I have.

In any case your argument is that I don't know (as in, have experience in) whether or not 85 catching will help or is unnecessary.
I could say the same to you, and unless you could provide either a receiver of any sort that catches 100% of his targets (to prove the argument of efficiency), or a receiver who has a similar (95/95/85) build and is unsuccessful, you'd null any purpose for your assertion.

Djinnt,

you should stop while you are behind. You are now arguing my point! I dont know if it is worth it. I said so at the very beginning of this thread. I said it is a personal decision and I dont think that effects are their. i dont know for sure if I did i would have said I know the effects arent worth it. See the difference. I have this whole time ceded the point that you can do what you like but that I am not sure it is worth it.

THis is all speculation, with a little experience thrown in. I have an opinion based on OC and my own WR. Yours comes from the possibility of a WR in 20 lvl ups. Neither can confirm which is better, that is why we call it opinion.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I am merely a competent voice on the subject, and not quite a prophet by any means. TtD has a worthwhile opinion as well. His WR caught 89% of his targets in S13 (league/playoffs, blowouts excluded) which I'm reasonably certain is the highest % for any WR in Pro/WL.

But ya. Though I would still consider Possession receiver, Mr. Reliable, and Soft hands to be the top 3 WR VA's (in no particular order). While some WRs are beautiful, I find high level FA WR's to be disappointing at best as of late. So many try to be speed receivers while not being fast enough for me to consider them as such. They simply call themselves speed receivers because all equipment is in there, and they've neglected catching/jumping and instead invested heavily in fake SA's and who knows what else.

Though imo, WR discussion is good stuff and I'm glad to see this thread (even if you all end up hating each other).

I agree that this is a good discussion and I hope people arent getting offended by it. I have actually learned a little from you and TtD. Somethings that I will be looking to confirm on my own with my own teams.

I have watched WR build philosophies change like the wind. Each is considered to be the end all of the builds and anyone not building a WR like that is wrong and ineffective. Catching just seems to be the new build philosophy. I agree it is important i am just questioning how important.

TBH . . . Catch Ball % >>>>> all anyway.

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
TBH . . . Catch Ball % >>>>> all anyway.

I tried that out and didn't like it... do you really see a noticeable difference?

Originally posted by sjkiller81
Djinnt,

I have this whole time ceded the point that you can do what you like but that I am not sure it is worth it.

Well if you're not sure I guess I should retire.

My WR caught 65% of his targets in WL last season(36% PD). Hes about as well rounded as you can get. 38+ on the speed script and 75+ catching.

I don't think many builds will excel with only 68 catching.


Thanks to Ttd for opening his build and showing me what to boost this season.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Lol, it's a wonderful thing. Though keep in mind there are factors that effect your catch% outside of your WR's control, though it gives a nice baseline to compare against the rest of your team.

Quick question, that I couldn't find the answer to, if you don't mind. What are the following stats (for the defensive numbers):

Stop - Tackles that don't result in a first down?
Dft - Defensive tackles?
YPT - Yards per tackle?

Thanks!

Excuse me... I have question on this % catching that you guys are talking about, can one of you guys share the formula for it?
I'm trying to understand why my WRs aren't performing. Thanks.

Originally posted by jdpbernal
Excuse me... I have question on this % catching that you guys are talking about, can one of you guys share the formula for it?
I'm trying to understand why my WRs aren't performing. Thanks.

Its strictly catches / Targets. This script will do all the calculation for you. http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/28938

The script isn't perfect as it includes bad passes and passes knocked down at the line of scrimmage, but its all we got.

Originally posted by Djinnt
I tried that out and didn't like it... do you really see a noticeable difference?

Yes. It's hard to evaluate the impact because of the vast number of confounding variables, but I've OCd two nearly identical builds catching passes out of the same slot and had the guy with the catch ball% piece post a 15% higher catch rate on targets.

I'm a believer.

Originally posted by marcello
Quick question, that I couldn't find the answer to, if you don't mind. What are the following stats (for the defensive numbers):

Stop - Tackles that don't result in a first down?
Dft - Defensive tackles?
YPT - Yards per tackle?

Thanks!

It was listed somewhere at some point, but I'm honestly not sure. PM pabst if you want as he made it