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I can guarantee that Midwest will not roll over for this team. We will give them a fight and at the end of the day, we can feel good about ourselves. I'm not saying that I don't believe the story behind all of this, but if there was that much concern, then I wouldn't have thought twice about what the members of my computer simmed team wanted. My first priority would be to look after my family. Regardless of how active an owners is, the team would have survived. I'm sure the GM could have handled things in the owners absence.

That's just my 2 cents worth, and like I said, I am not saying that there isn't any validity to the story. We will play them regardless.

Originally posted by mgargan
I agree with you byron, when did any of us "thump our chest"?

Listen, here's the deal... Monoxide decided he couldn't keep up with the team. But, still wanted to be involved, and while he was one of the GM's of the Devils, we all still wanted to be a part of the group.

None of us wanted to own the Vikings, I don't have the time for that, and none of us wanted to be the GM of the team. (I was one of them, i just don't have the time for all of that).

So, we were made an offer to keep stay with some of the same people.

Our morale has taken a huge hit, so we're not going to be as effective as our levels will look. In-fact, a well built team can beat us easily.

I would be very upset if the roles were reversed, but being an insider, I wanted to stay with all the same people, and I'm not trying to make an excuse...



All of which is fine, and admirable dedication. If that was the case for the reason all the players moved together, all well and good. People create friendships here. I'm almost positive that if Booster was no longer able to run the team and ended it, some team would be getting 2/3rds of the Hustlers roster or no one. I know I'd want to stick to the kind of people who are:
1. creating us a team website
2. Post things like 'HUSTLER FOR LIFE' when we put up a thread asking who is leaving so we can prep for the off-season ahead of time
3. Say they would likely quit the game if they had to leave the team/division.
4. etc.

That part I totally understand.

It just seems to me that that's MORE reason to stay in the tougher division where that kind of infusion of talent should have helped you compete, not a wonderful reason to jump down here and destroy any semblance of competitive balance.

Yes, chemistry plays a part - but having gone to the divisional round championships with some very low chemistry teams who beat very high chemistry teams they were otherwise equal with, or even worse than, on paper, it doesn't completely balance everything out. Its a small factor in the game that might occasionally tip things between roughly equal teams, or give small chances at upsets now and then.

I bear you no ill will for sticking together, I bear no one any personal animosity and wish your team owner's son well and all the rest as posted above.

Getting a huge infusion of talent and then jumping into the BBB leagues though? That's still garbage.

Originally posted by chasejyd

Getting a huge infusion of talent and then jumping into the BBB leagues though? That's still garbage.

/agreed

Originally posted by byrongame21

Again understood, but do you really think that was running through his mind, while he has had to deal with all of these other things? I can understand why that wasn't exactly his thought process during this whole ordeal.

I am actually more surprised that he spent time online to tell the team considering the circumstances...

Read half this thread and will post my thoughts. It wasn't anything even close to we couldn't compete. We lost by a TD to the Championship team. Anyways I had been getting tired of trying to keep people happy and spend to much time on here. Then my GM( Who I trusted with every GM cat) resigned all his players to expire on day 40. I tried for hours to get new ones to fix that and couldn't. Then the next night my son is placed in the hospital. Made my decision then I am not going to take away any more hours away from my real life priorities. I said it wasn't worth my time to find 1 person to replace someone. Not worth my 3 hours of work. So it came down to not having the time or the desire to spend hours on here away from my family. And that wasn't right to my team. I told Mike I might sell the team and he told me I could bring my personal players here. None of my GMs wanted to run the team. I then told Mike that would be cool and then offered anyone on my team the chance to bring their players or go elsewhere. I had good relations with alot of my players so they wanted to stick around and keep a group together. Id say maybe half came along with us. And only reason cuz it was half is cuz multiple people had more then one players.

I just wanted to say I have players in 5-6 separate leagues and I have read the forums in a lot of leagues. I am very happy that my team is in this particular league, great bunch of guys and even the arguing in this forum is much more civil then I have seen in others and doesn't degrade to outright vulgar name calling. Its unfortunate that a good group like this has to put up with a situation like this.

My team isn't really a title contender we are just hoping to compete and maybe sneak into a playoff spot, but I know how much effort went into making this team even remotely competitive. I think the other owners are upset and rightfully so because we all worked hard and now someone who didn't put in the effort but just used collusion to achieve the same thing.
I am not going to get too involved in this because not really going to affect us but why don't you guys ask bort to swap out with a team more fitting this region to keep the integrity of a pretty good league intact. I am sure after checking out the forums here there would be a lot of teams interested in joining, that would be a better fit talent wise.

And I am done on this topic btw. If anyone needs anything contact me through PM.

jmsne, you should be very proud of the success of your work and dedication. You had a REALLY crappy team, now you're in the mix. Not a title contender yet, but a very talented owner.
Originally posted by jmsne
I am not going to get too involved in this because not really going to affect us but why don't you guys ask bort to swap out with a team more fitting this region to keep the integrity of a pretty good league intact. I am sure after checking out the forums here there would be a lot of teams interested in joining, that would be a better fit talent wise.
and this is a great idea. See, I don't understand the gutting. The team could have stayed together under new leadership, something that happens fairly regularly in real life. I don't understand why all of the players had to stay together under new leadership somewhere else? Let a new owner have a shot with this team, give that person a chance rather than gutting (see jmsne, chicago bullets), and farming (see albuqurque)

Originally posted by chasejyd
It just seems to me that that's MORE reason to stay in the tougher division where that kind of infusion of talent should have helped you compete, not a wonderful reason to jump down here and destroy any semblance of competitive balance.
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I bear you no ill will for sticking together, I bear no one any personal animosity and wish your team owner's son well and all the rest as posted above.

Getting a huge infusion of talent and then jumping into the BBB leagues though? That's still garbage.
Agreed chase, they should have stayed. This move is garbage, but no need to apologize for personal insults, because none of you know monoxide personally. Monoxide's gotta have tough skin, shake it off and realize no one in this forum understands his real life situation. It's the same thing in teaching, my students have stepped out of line in the past, trying to insult me. They have no idea who I am as a person, they interact with me daily, and have some understanding of my personality, but only the part of me that I allow them to know.

Originally posted by DeathKnight000
it seems to me that every gutted team has a "real life issue" like a car accident or a child hospitalized. This is the 7th team i have seen come forward with an excuse of some sort. I for one dont believe a word they say. I hope the devils burn in a car wreck.
Certainly this was harsh, but I would expect no less from someone as angry and crude as deathknight. No personal offense should be taken though.

When I offered people to stay leave or follow me. NO ONE wanted to stay under new ownership and I wasn't letting people stay if they didn't want too. And I don't really care wut people think about my real life situation all it did was make me realize I do not need to spend 5 hours on here recruiting 2 players. I debated selling it for awhile. Its too much of a headache. And we brang half our players maybe but half the players was me or mikes to begin with? So where else are we going to stick them? I don't want to follow 5 different teams and im sure he doesn't either.

Now I really am done with this lol. I just felt those questions needed answered is why i responded again.

Monoxide -
I totally feel for your rl situation. Believe me or don't.
I also totally understand player loyalty and wanting to stick together.
But you guys made up a team that was competitive, as you say yourself, on a way higher level than this league, and yes, people are going to be upset at having any sense of competitive balance and an interesting season more or less crushed. Sorry, that's the way it is. Having some hope for a month and a half at a time is part of what drives people to want to invest the time and effort it takes to recruit.

Any chance one of you guys' GMs could contact Bort/DD, and see if a team that really is getting crushed at a higher level might swap places with you?
There's teams who are having to rebuild after mass defections, changes in ownership, gutting, etc. all over the place, with no chance of going anything but 0-16 where they are, but might have a chance to be competitive in a season or two, or even this season with some excellent recruiting, depending on what they do have left.

Yeah, it'd take some time, but then there might be some actual challenge for you guys in a league on your guys' level, and probably a lot less ill-will here.

Just a thought.

I'm not to worried about this. What happened, happened. We can't change it. Only deal with it. Their team's combined player levels aren't that much higher than any of the top teams in our conference. Besides, you can have all the high level players you want, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't have good builds and a solid coaching staff. This really doesn't change much from my perspective. I expected a few of the lower ranked teams to get competetive this season. Just didn't expect it to come so easy for some.

Find me a group of high level starters who want to play for minimum 6th season contracts and I'll shut up about it. Also, did you give all your players enough cash for upgrades to make it through to the 5th and 6th seasons before you dropped your team? I bet you did.

Yea, it's just a game, but it's one I spend a lot of time and effort on. I am pissed, and your stories and explanations aren't going to keep me from being pissed; it just doesn't add up.

He has no time, yet here the guy is posting and GMing. It just does not make any damn sense. He doesn't have 3 hours to work out the situation, yet has the time to get 30 or so players onto a completely different team that he GMs. It's the offseason!! There is nothing going on anyways! Hell, I have RL issues right now...should I gut my team and take 30 high level players to the Africa League team I GM? You see, it doesn't make any damn sense what you are all saying.

I agree with some other posters...there are several teams in AA and AAA looking to swap; your team should look into it...it's just a game right, so why should you care? Unless the point was to dominate everyone...if that's the case, then stay.

Call me an insensitive ass, I don't care, your stories aren't making any damn sense.

Me thinks you quoted the wrong reply?

Originally posted by Hiccup
Me thinks you quoted the wrong reply?

Probably so... I just clicked.

I think I know what happened...Boomer, their GM, had took 4 of his players off the team, which seemed to start a chain reaction of players wanting to leave. So, why not just jump while the ship is sinking instead of rebuilding, and go somewhere to dominate. Then say real life is holding you back even though you still spend as much time on the game, and that's the reason for gutting the team.

Well guys, we are not going to be dominate anymore in SEA AA (AAA#2 now) since we are losing lots of core players, let's go to BBB to this team I GM and pwn lowbie faces.