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Originally posted by
"I can wait and boost for the playoffs to ensure a league win, or boost early to make sure i don't get put out of the tournament and screw my playoff chances, or I can try the tiered boosting strategy shortbus pioneered and hope its enough to get to the end of the tourney without screwing myself for the playoffs"
Lots of teams are using this strategy this season. Lone Star and Carolina are two gold teams also doing it. Pretty successful if you manage the team right.

Originally posted by LordEvil

Lots of teams are using this strategy this season. Lone Star and Carolina are two gold teams also doing it. Pretty successful if you manage the team right.

No reason not to do it IMO, if you think 5 special points are going to be that huge come playoffs your wrong. It will still come down to a combination of better tactics and the luck of the scrim between any two good teams in the playoffs [even if one did a tiered boosting strategy and one boosted late at the start of playoffs].

HHM are also using the tiered system we stole off ...I mean shortbus pioneered, now we may lose in the playoffs (but it wont be because we had 5 less SP's in a few positions [1/4 to 1/2 of the team at most]. It will be due to better gameplanning or a lucky sim.

Originally posted by Redwin
lol.

"I can wait and boost for the playoffs to ensure a league win, or boost early to make sure i don't get put out of the tournament and screw my playoff chances, or I can try the tiered boosting strategy shortbus pioneered and hope its enough to get to the end of the tourney without screwing myself for the playoffs"

If you really think that's strategy and enjoy wondering whether you beat a team because you were better or because they had been forced to boost early because of a bad tourney seed, that's your call. I disagree and I think a good number of folks around here would also.

Then lets not allow people to have different builds, you just get a player and he has a stock standard build for his position (which everyone gets exactly the same); then it would truly come down to tactics and game planning (not builds - and boosting is a way of having a better build, as it gives your more SP's to assign, after all its not the level that does anything its the SP's).

Now I understand why you [DoRD/DARPA] would love no boosting/CE to entrench your dominance and rob the majority of a chance to compete [not sure what your builds are or where you picked up the info but they are not stock standard and they do perform better than most other non-boosting and even some boosting players] so DoRD/DARPA are not competing on a standard playing field where the only difference is tactics [OAI/DAI] they rely on build dominance [which is what boosting is; build dominance due to additional SP's].

Its not a personal attack on DoRD/DARPA but I'd just like to highlight your vested interest in this matter!

Edit: In fairness I'll highlight my vested interest in being able to boost [as it gives me a slight advantage over teams that don't]
2nd Edit: Or in the case of DoRD evens the playing field

The difference is different builds don't cost more money, so everyone can do it. Boosting isn't a way to further customize a build, its a way to get you 15 points you can't otherwise have. That's not an apples to oranges comparison you're making.

...and DoRD is spending flexies this season, many of our players already have custom. Darpa isn't, but it was always intended as a testing team, so you can't make like I only want this cause i have 2 teams or something, I'm on record with this position before darpa was even created.

and as you mention, your argument can easily be turned around on you, because you have a team of agents with enough money to boost and custom everyone, so you have a vested interest in keeping boosting and customing around because 90% of teams can't afford to do it systematically and it insures you a place among the best teams just by buying it before even having to build right or strategise.

I know that's not entirely fair, but neither was what you said about me and DoRD / DARPA. I just think no boosting would make a fairly level playing field even more level and take the money out of the sport. If you don't want that, then ok, but I still think its pretty obviously a true statement.

Hey I don't like spending cash on this game any more than the next guy, but we do what we have too to get by and get the win (within the rules and way the game is setup).

Its never going to happen on any level where boosting is not allowed. The original idea had a no boosting level 1 league. We are just lucky Bort was kind enough to give us pee wees after 2 seasons of begging for it.

Originally posted by Thunder66
Hey I don't like spending cash on this game any more than the next guy, but we do what we have too to get by and get the win (within the rules and way the game is setup).
I'm not saying you don't and certainly not saying you shouldn't. In fact, I'd say whatever you're doing this season is working pretty damn well hahaha. I'm just saying, in MY opinion, it would be cooler if you didn't have to, mostly because the number of teams who are "competitive" would be a much longer list. All you'd need (hah all?) is good agents and good game-planning, instead of good agents, good game-planning, and a pile of cash. Its this artificial monetary limiter on the number of competitive teams that annoys me. That's what the rest of GLB is for IMO. Hell, leave the boosting but make it free to do so somehow so every player in peewee can boost with no penalty, and I'd be basically OK with that too. Its the unevenness based on money that gets me.

Originally posted by LordEvil
Its never going to happen on any level where boosting is not allowed. The original idea had a no boosting level 1 league. We are just lucky Bort was kind enough to give us pee wees after 2 seasons of begging for it.

I pretty much agree with this, but just cause I am pretty sure something will not happen doesn't mean I can't be in favor of it

Originally posted by Redwin
Originally posted by Thunder66

Hey I don't like spending cash on this game any more than the next guy, but we do what we have too to get by and get the win (within the rules and way the game is setup).
I'm not saying you don't and certainly not saying you shouldn't. In fact, I'd say whatever you're doing this season is working pretty damn well hahaha. I'm just saying, in MY opinion, it would be cooler if you didn't have to, mostly because the number of teams who are "competitive" would be a much longer list. All you'd need (hah all?) is good agents and good game-planning, instead of good agents, good game-planning, and a pile of cash. Its this artificial monetary limiter on the number of competitive teams that annoys me. That's what the rest of GLB is for IMO. Hell, leave the boosting but make it free to do so somehow so every player in peewee can boost with no penalty, and I'd be basically OK with that too. Its the unevenness based on money that gets me.


But that's the beauty [from a business perspective [definitely not from my wallet perspective]] of Bort's business model... it cashes in on human nature, our very need to compete (and not just to compete but to be 'better' than the other guy), he plays us off against each other.... that's why non boosting is on the never going to happen list, that willingness to pay to win/compete [by a select few] is the essence of this game its what generates Bort the majority of his revenue, and he will never ever ever ever ever ever ever [i think I forgot an 'ever'] change that!!!

Its smart from a business perspective, but limits the game's appeal/fun/competitiveness for some users. Welcome to the online version of Chicago politics (its pay to play!!! complete with personal attacks on anyone who has a different opinion than you [see all forums] ).

Originally posted by Thunder66
But that's the beauty [from a business perspective [definitely not from my wallet perspective]] of Bort's business model... it cashes in on human nature, our very need to compete (and not just to compete but to be 'better' than the other guy), he plays us off against each other.... that's why non boosting is on the never going to happen list, that willingness to pay to win/compete [by a select few] is the essence of this game its what generates Bort the majority of his revenue, and he will never ever ever ever ever ever ever [i think I forgot an 'ever'] change that!!!

Its smart from a business perspective, but limits the game's appeal/fun/competitiveness for some users. Welcome to the online version of Chicago politics (its pay to play!!! complete with personal attacks on anyone who has a different opinion than you [see all forums] ).

I agree with everything you said here

leave the CPU teams alone, my OOP team can make the playoffs because of them

I am in the process of taking over peewee team from owner who is no longer keeping team. The way I understand this restructure is that only 1 team from each copper league will advance to silver. Is this correct, if it is it needs to be looked at. Silver 1 the div we would join if we win the copper league has 1 cpu team in each div and 4 teams in each div with over 1/2 roster of cpu players! I realize that in time things will be made right, but since we are not idiots and can figure this out why not get the best teams in silver? So to get these cpu teams out is going to take 5 seasons(if no other teams go cpu). Just dont get why we cant have a human element to this promotion/demotion process.

Originally posted by ericelroybarman
I am in the process of taking over peewee team from owner who is no longer keeping team. The way I understand this restructure is that only 1 team from each copper league will advance to silver. Is this correct, if it is it needs to be looked at. Silver 1 the div we would join if we win the copper league has 1 cpu team in each div and 4 teams in each div with over 1/2 roster of cpu players! I realize that in time things will be made right, but since we are not idiots and can figure this out why not get the best teams in silver? So to get these cpu teams out is going to take 5 seasons(if no other teams go cpu). Just dont get why we cant have a human element to this promotion/demotion process.

theres no way only 1 team goes from each copper league.

Originally posted by ericelroybarman
I am in the process of taking over peewee team from owner who is no longer keeping team. The way I understand this restructure is that only 1 team from each copper league will advance to silver. Is this correct, if it is it needs to be looked at. Silver 1 the div we would join if we win the copper league has 1 cpu team in each div and 4 teams in each div with over 1/2 roster of cpu players! I realize that in time things will be made right, but since we are not idiots and can figure this out why not get the best teams in silver? So to get these cpu teams out is going to take 5 seasons(if no other teams go cpu). Just dont get why we cant have a human element to this promotion/demotion process.

They will fill Silver 1 with the best teams from copper 1 and 2 to make it a non CPU league.

Promotion schedule:

Gold demotes the bottom 4 from each division and all CPU teams.

Silver promotes the winners of each of the 8 leagues, if further promotion is required it will be conference champions randomly pulled, then conference finalists. If regular season results determine this promotion, it shouldn't (ie a 14-2 team in a tough division who loses the finals should have as good of a chance of being promoted to Golold as a 16-0 team in a weak div.)

Silver will then have a net balance or loss of teams being promoted compared to obtained. Then all of the CPU teams will be dropped out of Silver into Copper. Promotion from Copper to Silver will follow the same rules of promotion as Silver to Golold, but will likely go much deeper and if the past is any example, all teams that renew will be promoted.

Please note that all promotions require renewal of the team. If the team is sold or not renewed, it shall not be promoted. New teams are handed out in the order they were requested, but will skip over inactive users.

This is my understanding, but would like some feedback from Darkus as he is the one who set this up with Bort and might be able to get this confirmation from Bort.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
how many of these CPU teams started with human owners?

I bought a peewee and then sold it back right around the time the preseason started due to all the CPUs in my team's conference and the dead league forum. The forum went close to an entire week without a single post.

There will be two, possibly three CPU teams in the playoffs in that conference.