Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Marion Who

It takes time to look at each player in detail through highlights, not just stats. By not voting they contributed to making the All Star team more "Accurate" as they would of done what most owners did and picked all the player with the most picks as the starting corners and so on...

And how would you know what "most owners" did and how we came to our conclusions? Be pissed all you want you missed out, but if you think we did not take time to make our picks you clearly have no clue what you are on about.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by leroy20

see i wouldn't expect you to be so narrow sited.
Unlike you in regards to Dust I did admit that Manstag would be deserving, while you claimed Dust "was not even in his class", which is laughable as he is close. Obviously more people saw it differently than you, you did not even bother to put your vote in if I am not mistaken <shrugs>


I don't really mind to be honest (I didn't even vote in the ballot), Adan's a great kicker especially at a much lower level, you're very deserving of the place on the All Star team.

Originally posted by Jerome Neil
I don't really mind to be honest (I didn't even vote in the ballot), Adan's a great kicker especially at a much lower level, you're very deserving of the place on the All Star team.
Thanks, as you or Longshanks would have been, just leroy seems to have a hard time acknowledging that.

I wonder if McMahon would of received more votes if we had waited until the end of the season.

How come the MVP is a qb yet he's not the qb chosen to play for the allstars? Or am I missing something here?

Originally posted by Gianni Verschueren
How come the MVP is a qb yet he's not the qb chosen to play for the allstars? Or am I missing something here?

How dare you question the VOTE!

hehe

Originally posted by Gianni Verschueren
How come the MVP is a qb yet he's not the qb chosen to play for the allstars? Or am I missing something here?

good question I demand a recount

It seems a lot of people felt the need to use it as a way to nominate two QBs.

Also if you look at the votes carefully, you'll see that usually the player a team nominated had a monster game against them, either on stats or video, I think thats the key factor for most people, then they used the season stats to make a tight decision.

Is their anyone who recieved NO VOTEs that is deserving of a serious mention? That would be a good measurement I think.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by Marion Who


It takes time to look at each player in detail through highlights, not just stats. By not voting they contributed to making the All Star team more "Accurate" as they would of done what most owners did and picked all the player with the most picks as the starting corners and so on...

And how would you know what "most owners" did and how we came to our conclusions? Be pissed all you want you missed out, but if you think we did not take time to make our picks you clearly have no clue what you are on about.


I'm making a fair prediction based on the results of the ballot. How can you say what "most owners" did? I have spoken to one or two owners who hace explained they didn't vote because of my reasons or voted, but didn't put too much time into it.

Well I talked to all of those who voted. and especially if their vote looked 'odd' to me.

The key for most was, performances against their team mainly.
Then if undecided, they used season stats to decide on one person.

At CB for example, most picked someone who had a good game against them, or they decided to avoid because they didnt want to take the risk, then used PDs and INTs to decide on just one person.

Thats fine, yes some people would be at a disadvantage, but at the end of the day I still cant see anyone that is NOT on the spreadsheet who has a big complaint, give the talent that is on it.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
Is their anyone who recieved NO VOTEs that is deserving of a serious mention? That would be a good measurement I think.

Oh, I could think of one

I just consider it funny how people think we all (or the majority) pulled those votes out of our behinds, probably just to spite the guy they favor.

Originally posted by Marion Who
I'm making a fair prediction based on the results of the ballot. How can you say what "most owners" did? I have spoken to one or two owners who hace explained they didn't vote because of my reasons or voted, but didn't put too much time into it.

Hmm, so you are saying because one or two owners you talked to did not want to (or couldn't) put the time in they deemed necessary to make that decision that most other owners can't seriously have done so? Yeah right ... Just because a few people do not feel it worth to put in an effort don't go and insult those that do.

Mike has got it right as far as I am concerned. To begin with you mainly have the game those guys played against your own team, and their overall stats. Add to that the highlights they might have had in games you were scouting your upcoming opponent in. And maybe the mid season All Star thread gave you a bit of an idea what other players to look at. That leaves you with a number of candidates for each position, at which you take a closer look to come to a decision. Is the system fool proof and noone will slip through the cracks? Certainly not. Is it still a way to find a big number of dewserving players? It sure is. And don't tell me it is less fair than what ends up on the Pro Bowl teams in the real NFL, where name recognition rules above everything anyway.

I certainly would have liked more time to send in the ballot, but as the deadline was what it is you put in your best effort. Remember this is not a full time job like for those people doing the "real life" scouting. To say that none of us did put the time in just because you don't like the result or know someone that didn't is just clueless.

As you might have seen some people already have put forward a few ideas for next seasons voting to hopefully allow a few more players on the ballots, and you are welcome to add your own suggestions to the respective thread. Just don't go bashing the effort of those that did spend their time on it this season.

Originally posted by Zickzack

I just consider it funny how people think we all (or the majority) pulled those votes out of our behinds, probably just to spite the guy they favor.


You mean like in Bruce Almighty with the little monkey

Seriously, I think no one actually voted lightly and even if there wasn't a "real" majority (7 teams out of 16 if I counted well), it still is a great indication of who is considered the BEST at his position.
You'll never have a 100% agreement on any player anyway but isn't that just how democraty goes?

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by Mike Rogers

Is their anyone who recieved NO VOTEs that is deserving of a serious mention? That would be a good measurement I think.

Oh, I could think of one

I just consider it funny how people think we all (or the majority) pulled those votes out of our behinds, probably just to spite the guy they favor.

Originally posted by Marion Who

I'm making a fair prediction based on the results of the ballot. How can you say what "most owners" did? I have spoken to one or two owners who hace explained they didn't vote because of my reasons or voted, but didn't put too much time into it.

Hmm, so you are saying because one or two owners you talked to did not want to (or couldn't) put the time in they deemed necessary to make that decision that most other owners can't seriously have done so? Yeah right ... Just because a few people do not feel it worth to put in an effort don't go and insult those that do.

Mike has got it right as far as I am concerned. To begin with you mainly have the game those guys played against your own team, and their overall stats. Add to that the highlights they might have had in games you were scouting your upcoming opponent in. And maybe the mid season All Star thread gave you a bit of an idea what other players to look at. That leaves you with a number of candidates for each position, at which you take a closer look to come to a decision. Is the system fool proof and noone will slip through the cracks? Certainly not. Is it still a way to find a big number of dewserving players? It sure is. And don't tell me it is less fair than what ends up on the Pro Bowl teams in the real NFL, where name recognition rules above everything anyway.

I certainly would have liked more time to send in the ballot, but as the deadline was what it is you put in your best effort. Remember this is not a full time job like for those people doing the "real life" scouting. To say that none of us did put the time in just because you don't like the result or know someone that didn't is just clueless.

As you might have seen some people already have put forward a few ideas for next seasons voting to hopefully allow a few more players on the ballots, and you are welcome to add your own suggestions to the respective thread. Just don't go bashing the effort of those that did spend their time on it this season.


I will be adding a suggestion to that thread, no doubt you'll quote me and find something wrong with it.

Originally posted by Marion Who

I will be adding a suggestion to that thread, no doubt you'll quote me and find something wrong with it.
Why would I, after all I pointed you there?

All I take objection to is your attitude towards those of us who did put their time into this just because you feel snubbed.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by Marion Who


I will be adding a suggestion to that thread, no doubt you'll quote me and find something wrong with it.
Why would I, after all I pointed you there?

All I take objection to is your attitude towards those of us who did put their time into this just because you feel snubbed.


I personally put alot of time into the voting and did research on positions that had a group of players who could be considered. The fact that Stickei almost got a unaminous vote with the exception of Helluin (obviously) and myself proves Marion's point to be correct at least for the WR position. Since you are so adimant about telling Marion about the amount of time you spent in your selections why did you not notice that Stickei was third string all season. As I said before, Stickei is a great player but he was slot receiver. Helluin deserves credit for playing him that way, it has worked really well however how can we honor a player as an all-star when he was going against weak competition every time. However he was the leading receiver for Alpha. Hmmmmmm do you think people might have just looked at the numbers there???