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Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Porch

Originally posted by Voltron


Originally posted by Porch



Originally posted by kurieg




Originally posted by Porch





will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I can accept this answer if and when your DE is put on his ass every time by the G in a run blocking situation.

So we can agree you can get your sacks on that exploit but we can run the ball for a minimum of 5 yards every time right over your guy because I can pancake you in a run situation?

Tbh, my DE has been playing LDE all season and has lined up mainly against the ROT. So can we agree your offensive line sucks?

1 sack vs my lower level LT, and it was on a blitz, forget the exploit shit, it was a LB Blitz... so no we dont suck, we are average

Originally posted by Mad Cow
Originally posted by Voltron

Originally posted by Porch


Originally posted by Voltron



Originally posted by Porch




Originally posted by kurieg





Originally posted by Porch






will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I can accept this answer if and when your DE is put on his ass every time by the G in a run blocking situation.

So we can agree you can get your sacks on that exploit but we can run the ball for a minimum of 5 yards every time right over your guy because I can pancake you in a run situation?

Tbh, my DE has been playing LDE all season and has lined up mainly against the ROT. So can we agree your offensive line sucks?

1 sack vs my lower level LT, and it was on a blitz, forget the exploit shit, it was a LB Blitz... so no we dont suck, we are average



Of course, it's easy as shit to build an effective LOT that shuts down pretty much every DE.

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Mad Cow

Originally posted by Voltron


Originally posted by Porch



Originally posted by Voltron




Originally posted by Porch





Originally posted by kurieg






Originally posted by Porch







will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I can accept this answer if and when your DE is put on his ass every time by the G in a run blocking situation.

So we can agree you can get your sacks on that exploit but we can run the ball for a minimum of 5 yards every time right over your guy because I can pancake you in a run situation?

Tbh, my DE has been playing LDE all season and has lined up mainly against the ROT. So can we agree your offensive line sucks?

1 sack vs my lower level LT, and it was on a blitz, forget the exploit shit, it was a LB Blitz... so no we dont suck, we are average



Of course, it's easy as shit to build an effective LOT that shuts down pretty much every DE.


I would agree for most of the seasons, but look at the Sack leaders for this season, hardly favors the O line this season...

Sacks
Player Sacks
Haufu Gurugatuppa 89
Need Ur Love 68
Jimi Morrison 62
Johnny White Guy 62
Nathan Beerwater 56
Fredo Sackman 51
William Davis 46
Rawr Rawr 39
Tang MO 37
Nutty Sackumallu 35



btw im waiting for my Avy, 1 weeks worth

Anyone from Garuda doesn't count. They have like 3 gutted teams. And btw part of the reason it was only 1 was because I have other players on the team who can get sacks just as well as I can. Your QB was sacked 9 times incase you didn't notice

Originally posted by kurieg

Don't think this Changelog is going to do what you think it's going to do. This changelog had a lot more to do with G's just flat out ignoring things like blitzing safeties.

It was quite possible to do a 3-down linemen pass rush such that the G's have NOTHING to do, and a safety blitzing will just run around them with no interaction.

For this supposed "gap" exploit, it's quite clear that O-linemen can get a hand on the DE every time. Some teams do it.

I dont think so, its not just a fix for the guards, its a fix for the whole Oline. It wasnt just the Guards missing things with the bug, it was the OT as well.

Bort clarified flat out, there was a bug in the blocking. It had nothing to do with the DE being able to beat the block and everything to do with the DE benefiting from a bug, as well as other blitzers.

Originally posted by Voltron
Anyone from Garuda doesn't count. They have like 3 gutted teams. And btw part of the reason it was only 1 was because I have other players on the team who can get sacks just as well as I can. Your QB was sacked 9 times incase you didn't notice

I dont care about that, we are a passing team, with an average line in our first season is Pro, we are gunna give up sacks..

wheres my avy

here is Naga, still a bit outragous




Sacks
Player Sacks
Jimi Morrison 62
William Davis 46
Rawr Rawr 39
Julius Sanders 23
Edgerrin Razorwire 19

Originally posted by Mad Cow
here is Naga, still a bit outragous




Sacks
Player Sacks
Jimi Morrison 62
William Davis 46
Rawr Rawr 39
Julius Sanders 23
Edgerrin Razorwire 19




Ok so you have 3 great DEs in Naga, then a few that average about 1-1.5 sacks a game. Not really outrageous

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Mad Cow

here is Naga, still a bit outragous




Sacks
Player Sacks
Jimi Morrison 62
William Davis 46
Rawr Rawr 39
Julius Sanders 23
Edgerrin Razorwire 19




Ok so you have 3 great DEs in Naga, then a few that average about 1-1.5 sacks a game. Not really outrageous

But its hardly favoring the O line though, I think besides the o line split, the DE-OT sim is ok

Originally posted by MD
Originally posted by kurieg


Don't think this Changelog is going to do what you think it's going to do. This changelog had a lot more to do with G's just flat out ignoring things like blitzing safeties.

It was quite possible to do a 3-down linemen pass rush such that the G's have NOTHING to do, and a safety blitzing will just run around them with no interaction.

For this supposed "gap" exploit, it's quite clear that O-linemen can get a hand on the DE every time. Some teams do it.

I dont think so, its not just a fix for the guards, its a fix for the whole Oline. It wasnt just the Guards missing things with the bug, it was the OT as well.

Bort clarified flat out, there was a bug in the blocking. It had nothing to do with the DE being able to beat the block and everything to do with the DE benefiting from a bug, as well as other blitzers.

Bort also said there was a "bug" with DE's back when they first got nerfed. yet that season ESL had no trouble shutting out a People's Elbow who was one of these DE's "exploiting" a bug at the time.

Bort is looking out for his pocket first and foremost. Can't blame him. I would say things were a bug too if it would meant my users didn't think they sucked at my game. Sucking = quitting.

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Mad Cow

here is Naga, still a bit outragous




Sacks
Player Sacks
Jimi Morrison 62
William Davis 46
Rawr Rawr 39
Julius Sanders 23
Edgerrin Razorwire 19




Ok so you have 3 great DEs in Naga, then a few that average about 1-1.5 sacks a game. Not really outrageous

even the great ones....how crazy is this stat? Jimi is on Bandar, Davis/Rawr on Pa Dong, Edge on ESL and i'm not sure on Sanders. Sorry, but we've faced several teams that just flat out can't compete with us and we are even with Pa Dong and Bandar in my mind. Take out those games for all our teams and while still "high" sack numbers for an NFL DE(which GLB isn't) it's nothing crazy.

Originally posted by HurricaneBear
Originally posted by Voltron

Originally posted by Mad Cow


here is Naga, still a bit outragous




Sacks
Player Sacks
Jimi Morrison 62
William Davis 46
Rawr Rawr 39
Julius Sanders 23
Edgerrin Razorwire 19




Ok so you have 3 great DEs in Naga, then a few that average about 1-1.5 sacks a game. Not really outrageous

even the great ones....how crazy is this stat? Jimi is on Bandar, Davis/Rawr on Pa Dong, Edge on ESL and i'm not sure on Sanders. Sorry, but we've faced several teams that just flat out can't compete with us and we are even with Pa Dong and Bandar in my mind. Take out those games for all our teams and while still "high" sack numbers for an NFL DE(which GLB isn't) it's nothing crazy.


But this is not a season that favors the O line alot, its pretty damn close to even i think, minus the o line split...

Originally posted by HurricaneBear
Originally posted by MD

Originally posted by kurieg



Don't think this Changelog is going to do what you think it's going to do. This changelog had a lot more to do with G's just flat out ignoring things like blitzing safeties.

It was quite possible to do a 3-down linemen pass rush such that the G's have NOTHING to do, and a safety blitzing will just run around them with no interaction.

For this supposed "gap" exploit, it's quite clear that O-linemen can get a hand on the DE every time. Some teams do it.

I dont think so, its not just a fix for the guards, its a fix for the whole Oline. It wasnt just the Guards missing things with the bug, it was the OT as well.

Bort clarified flat out, there was a bug in the blocking. It had nothing to do with the DE being able to beat the block and everything to do with the DE benefiting from a bug, as well as other blitzers.

Bort also said there was a "bug" with DE's back when they first got nerfed. yet that season ESL had no trouble shutting out a People's Elbow who was one of these DE's "exploiting" a bug at the time.

Bort is looking out for his pocket first and foremost. Can't blame him. I would say things were a bug too if it would meant my users didn't think they sucked at my game. Sucking = quitting.


Of course Bort is looking out for #1, i would do the same, most would, your never gonna please everyone.

But this was pretty blatant. It wasnt just bad builds in this case, DEs were seriously "jumping" right over the line it seemed. I know people cry fowl on here all the time when Bort "fixes" stuff but this time it was warranted for sure.

In general though, this game has become a cryfest and then Bort caters to a small minority doing the complaining and in the process pisses off alot of others. He really needs to grow a set and build this game properly, not based on the whims of a few.

Originally posted by MD
Originally posted by HurricaneBear

Originally posted by MD


Originally posted by kurieg




Don't think this Changelog is going to do what you think it's going to do. This changelog had a lot more to do with G's just flat out ignoring things like blitzing safeties.

It was quite possible to do a 3-down linemen pass rush such that the G's have NOTHING to do, and a safety blitzing will just run around them with no interaction.

For this supposed "gap" exploit, it's quite clear that O-linemen can get a hand on the DE every time. Some teams do it.

I dont think so, its not just a fix for the guards, its a fix for the whole Oline. It wasnt just the Guards missing things with the bug, it was the OT as well.

Bort clarified flat out, there was a bug in the blocking. It had nothing to do with the DE being able to beat the block and everything to do with the DE benefiting from a bug, as well as other blitzers.

Bort also said there was a "bug" with DE's back when they first got nerfed. yet that season ESL had no trouble shutting out a People's Elbow who was one of these DE's "exploiting" a bug at the time.

Bort is looking out for his pocket first and foremost. Can't blame him. I would say things were a bug too if it would meant my users didn't think they sucked at my game. Sucking = quitting.


Of course Bort is looking out for #1, i would do the same, most would, your never gonna please everyone.

But this was pretty blatant. It wasnt just bad builds in this case, DEs were seriously "jumping" right over the line it seemed. I know people cry fowl on here all the time when Bort "fixes" stuff but this time it was warranted for sure.

In general though, this game has become a cryfest and then Bort caters to a small minority doing the complaining and in the process pisses off alot of others. He really needs to grow a set and build this game properly, not based on the whims of a few.


I completely agree, he caters to the people who only have a DE or OT that sucks ass, and pisses off most everyone else, I have both positions and im on both sides of this, which is why i thinks its a pretty fair sim, minus the o line split shit...

Originally posted by MD
Originally posted by HurricaneBear

Originally posted by MD


Originally posted by kurieg




Don't think this Changelog is going to do what you think it's going to do. This changelog had a lot more to do with G's just flat out ignoring things like blitzing safeties.

It was quite possible to do a 3-down linemen pass rush such that the G's have NOTHING to do, and a safety blitzing will just run around them with no interaction.

For this supposed "gap" exploit, it's quite clear that O-linemen can get a hand on the DE every time. Some teams do it.

I dont think so, its not just a fix for the guards, its a fix for the whole Oline. It wasnt just the Guards missing things with the bug, it was the OT as well.

Bort clarified flat out, there was a bug in the blocking. It had nothing to do with the DE being able to beat the block and everything to do with the DE benefiting from a bug, as well as other blitzers.

Bort also said there was a "bug" with DE's back when they first got nerfed. yet that season ESL had no trouble shutting out a People's Elbow who was one of these DE's "exploiting" a bug at the time.

Bort is looking out for his pocket first and foremost. Can't blame him. I would say things were a bug too if it would meant my users didn't think they sucked at my game. Sucking = quitting.


Of course Bort is looking out for #1, i would do the same, most would, your never gonna please everyone.

But this was pretty blatant. It wasnt just bad builds in this case, DEs were seriously "jumping" right over the line it seemed. I know people cry fowl on here all the time when Bort "fixes" stuff but this time it was warranted for sure.

In general though, this game has become a cryfest and then Bort caters to a small minority doing the complaining and in the process pisses off alot of others. He really needs to grow a set and build this game properly, not based on the whims of a few.

I agree with you completely here on the bolded part.

For the rest, I used to think it was a bug then I started arguing with some players in the general forums(1 reason I stick to SEA mostly) 68 agility guards getting owned on passing downs and them crying BUG! WTF do they expect? Think logically...a 50+ De probably has what...7+ in the pass rush abilities, at least 80 speed/agility and a good amount of strength as well? and thats not counting other abilties, or taking into account elite players who have even more. I just don't understand how people think an oline with 100+ str/blocking but 68ish agility can keep up with a player with 80's+ in there movement attributes.

Until I see pass blocking olines dominated I won't htink it's a bug personally.