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Originally posted by CTap
Originally posted by RUN HARD




Sounds just like the NFL. When you draft a player...you are drafting an AGENT...better talk to that agent 1st.


Easier said that done.... between logistical nightmares of not being able to get in touch with the agent or not having him respond and the fact that honestly most of the owners just wouldn't even bother to try and talk to the agent, I just don't see that playing very well.

Also, if agent buy-in were a requirement, then you get the MLB draft situation where players can essentially force which team they will go to... and you get potential collusion/team stacking.

Plenty of agents would just be like "If you draft me, I will F up my Tactics to screw you. Sorry, I only want to play for [insert team name]." I just don't see any way this wouldn't dissolve into a huge clustermess... and that is before owners go inactive, teams gut, etc.

Then these A-holes Should Not enter the draft!!!!

Ahh Fuck it....it wouldn't work. Nothing I try works around here.

Personally, I just don't see the need for the World League now that we have some really great tournaments around GLB and there is also that traveling trophy thingy which pretty much gets elite teams pitted against elite teams to determine who holds it.

But, of all the ideas mentioned so far I do think Drago's might be the best, in practice.

Originally posted by RUN HARD
Originally posted by CTap

Originally posted by RUN HARD





Sounds just like the NFL. When you draft a player...you are drafting an AGENT...better talk to that agent 1st.


Easier said that done.... between logistical nightmares of not being able to get in touch with the agent or not having him respond and the fact that honestly most of the owners just wouldn't even bother to try and talk to the agent, I just don't see that playing very well.

Also, if agent buy-in were a requirement, then you get the MLB draft situation where players can essentially force which team they will go to... and you get potential collusion/team stacking.

Plenty of agents would just be like "If you draft me, I will F up my Tactics to screw you. Sorry, I only want to play for [insert team name]." I just don't see any way this wouldn't dissolve into a huge clustermess... and that is before owners go inactive, teams gut, etc.

Then these A-holes Should Not enter the draft!!!!

Ahh Fuck it....it wouldn't work. Nothing I try works around here.



Eh, sorry, I might have take the devil's advocate thing a bit far RUN HARD. It well could work. In general, I just have less faith in the GLB community than most I think. Didn't mean to deter you at all (not that I have any real influence anyway LOL)

I'm open to seeing how this goes, but honestly, I'm not envisioning a scenario where this is going to end well.

The most practical objective would be take the best 32 teams and let them beat the crap out of each other, in league games.
Recycle the 32 teams each and every season based on the current rankings for that recently completed season.

It'll prob be skewed heavily toward the incumbents, but guess what, the current is towards USAPL. That doesn't preclude upstart teams from breaking through. Perhaps set a mandatory requirement of 6 or 7 wins for incumbents within the WL in order to be eligible for WL play the following season (this would prevent ridiculous bias).

16 playoff champions, 16 regular season champions (or runner-ups if the regular season champion wins the playoffs)

one of each from every pro conference to start with

if you miss the playoffs you go back down

if you go down you go back to the conference where you came from

to add 16 new teams, take the playoff champions of each pro conference

that way if every USA Pro West team makes the playoffs, they get an extra team in the world league the next season

but i hope they wait one more season because my lesbians want some of USA Pro the way it is right now... we still remember what monmouth did to us in S2 ...

Think I read this suggestion in the old World League thread in the GLB main forum, not sure who made it tho.

1st season of the World League, the 4 conf final teams from all 8 Pro regions get promoted. End of the 1st season, all 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs get demoted back to their original Pro league.

2nd season, the finalists in each of the 8 Pro title games advance. Same demotion process

Rinse and repeat

After the 1st season, if none of the USAPL teams have anyone demoted from World League, they then have 6 teams from USAPL in the WL. and if a region has all 4 demoted then they only have the 2 new teams that get promoted. After the second season is over, same thing, no USAPL teams demoted, then there's 8 USAPL teams in and max 2 from a region that had theirs all demoted. Leaves the ability for all regions to have at least their top 2 teams in the WL and allows the stronger regions to have more representation over time. Also allows teams to be demoted back to their original league

Originally posted by RUN HARD
My suggestion is at S10+ (maybe S12..but lets just use S10 in the suggestion) players either RETIRE or get drafted to GLB ALL-PRO.

The ALL-PRO league is to SEE who are the best players and game planners. All players would be stripped of equipment (teams would decide who gets what).

-Only 32 owners/teams in GLB All-Pro

-Owners/Teams must DRAFT players (NO FREE AGENCY) ala NFL.

-Agents indicate on player by end of S10 either to RETIRE player or apply for GLB ALL-PRO draft (this is defaulted to RETIRE)

-Owners/Teams draft players in a serpentine draft

-The 32 owners are selected based on certain qualifications (# of Championships, etc...)

-Players drafted must accept at least a 3 Season contract.

-Players would never get any better and would maintain abilities/skills for 7 seasons....then would lose abilities/skills at a 10% rate per Season

-Every year owners would draft more players (1st draft = S1 players....2nd draft = S2 players...etc...)

-Teams can trade players and DRAFT Picks....But trade will be POSTED for 24 hours. If any team makes a BETTER OFFER...then that trade must be accepted. This is to stop teams from creating an alliance and trading all picks / players to 1 team. May need a Trade Committe to review trades to eliminate BS. Any owners found committing BS get 1 warninbg...then next offense lose team to next on waiting list.

Instead of going ON & ON....basically treat current GLB like COLLEGE. And ALL-PRO GLB (only players S10+) like the NFL.

I think it would be really cool to see all the great owners in GLB going HEAD TO HEAD on a LEVEL playing field!!!





Would be pretty cool, actually awesome, but too many variables for it to be successful.

Why not just make this World League 1 season long at a time. The Best 8 teams go to the World league and play each ohter twice. Who ever wins gets a nice trophy and everyone at the end of the season goes back to their respective leagues and the champions (best 8 teams from the Pro's) get promoted up for their respective go around the next season.

Yes you would never be able to win back to back but every other season would be possible.

Originally posted by Hokiemon
Think I read this suggestion in the old World League thread in the GLB main forum, not sure who made it tho.

1st season of the World League, the 4 conf final teams from all 8 Pro regions get promoted. End of the 1st season, all 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs get demoted back to their original Pro league.

2nd season, the finalists in each of the 8 Pro title games advance. Same demotion process

Rinse and repeat

After the 1st season, if none of the USAPL teams have anyone demoted from World League, they then have 6 teams from USAPL in the WL. and if a region has all 4 demoted then they only have the 2 new teams that get promoted. After the second season is over, same thing, no USAPL teams demoted, then there's 8 USAPL teams in and max 2 from a region that had theirs all demoted. Leaves the ability for all regions to have at least their top 2 teams in the WL and allows the stronger regions to have more representation over time. Also allows teams to be demoted back to their original league



I think this is the best idea I've seen so far about handling the World League from season to season. I kind of like the idea of trying to get the Top 32 teams (as best as possible) rather than 4 from each region, but I'm not sure it's the best idea. I think that over time things will balance itself out, and even if the World League ends up having more USAPL teams after a couple of seasons, it gives some time for talent to spread out.and this structure would make it hard for USAPL to "dominate" the World League or whatever to the point that teams from other leagues get frustrated and gut.

Honestly, if you make it to the World League, and your team can't handle not making the playoffs and going back to your region's Pro League like half of the other World League teams to the point you gut then I'm not really sure if you're a World League caliber team.

Maybe World League teams should have a lock on Fan Support, or possibly have it set so that it can't go lower than where it was when they started, only higher; that way they return to their Pro League the same way they left it. They had to make their Conference Championship game in order to get to the World League, so they should be a high-enough caliber team to stick together after what might have been a rough season of ~50-60 days, and be able to come back to whatever Pro League they came from and still be a very competitive teams. It's not like they will be getting relegated from the World League and come back to Pro only to find they are suddenly outclassed.


If you can't stick together after one rough season against top competition then I'm not sure you're really a team that deserves to be in the World League in the first place.

Look at the San Diego Lightning for example. They may not be doing well in USA Pro, but everyone knows that they are still a good team and they may be having a bad season but I think the best teams are the ones who can stick together when things aren't going as well as they are used to or they expected them to go. If the Kampers get relegated from a league like USA Pro I can guarantee you the last thing on my mind would be gutting, and my biggest goal would be focusing on our AAA league and earning our way back up to USA Pro.


I am pretty sure if there's one thing Drago and I could agree on more than anything, it's that anyone who is worried about their team making it to the World League and getting so frustrated they can't go 14-2 anymore against the best of the best, and then gutting after one season rather than go back to the horror that is a Pro League the next year might as well go ahead and gut their pussy team now.


edit: edited my post with a better quote/explanation of the same idea.

I know some people (and i can understand this feeling) think that issues outside of the game like not having enough free time to devote to the game might end with a team gutting if they finish 4-12, worse, etc., but sticking around longer if they manage to have a successful season like 12-4 or whatever.

I can definitely see how adding a bad record that a team might get in the World League that may not have happened back in their Pro League could end up with a team gutting that otherwise wouldn't have. However, I also think it's pretty safe to say that even if that team had stayed in their Pro League and coasted with a record/season that they were satisfied with, it's still only a matter of time before they either decide even that isn't worth keeping the team together, or their performance slips and they have that 4-12 season in their Pro League instead and end up gutting a season or two later than they would have from the World League.


Sure, there are the temporary situations where team owners(/co-owners?) might have real life issues going on that keep them away from the game for only a season or two and then they are able to go back to the way things are before. That's the only complain I can really see happening because it's more likely for the team to have a worse season in the World League. However, first of all that is such a specific scenario and honestly I think it would only even affect so few teams anyway that to do something like not even have a World League for that reason for those few teams' sake would be ridiculous. If anything it could even be looked at by the team like "Ok, we know we're having a bad season and not going to be able to turn things around this year, BUT if we just stick things out through the season and turn things around for next year we'll still "only" be back in our Pro League rather than a AAA League."

And not that I want to discourage the level of competition in the World League. Preferably no teams would be giving up on their season until they were 0-16, but I do think that it's kind of nice to give teams that make the Conference Finals of their Pro League the opportunity to have an "off-year" and not be hurt by it is really nice. Let's take a team like Monmouth for example. While I'd much rather see them playing at their best, if for whatever reason the guys running the team are maybe getting a little "burnt out" or whatever on the game and decided it was better for the team's long-term success (which includes helping the team stick together and avoid gutting) to lay off the throttle in the World League and be relegated back to USA Pro the next season then I would have no problem at all with that. I think they earned being able to do that by making it to the World League in the first place. With half of the league being replaced each season teams up there and it being even more difficult to get back up later on, teams aren't going to be lining up and begging to be moved back down.

It's really funny to me to see people worry so much about teams folding because of the World League being too tough or because USA Pro is going to be so good they'll dominate the whole thing. It's almost like arguing that USA Pro has gotten so difficult and full of good teams from top to bottom and it's a bad thing because it's "forcing" some very good teams to fold.

Does USAPL need to be "fixed"??? It already has the "problem" that everyone is worrying about the World League having and I don't see anyone calling for solutions to the problem here.

Originally posted by Hokiemon
Think I read this suggestion in the old World League thread in the GLB main forum, not sure who made it tho.

1st season of the World League, the 4 conf final teams from all 8 Pro regions get promoted. End of the 1st season, all 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs get demoted back to their original Pro league.

2nd season, the finalists in each of the 8 Pro title games advance. Same demotion process

Rinse and repeat

After the 1st season, if none of the USAPL teams have anyone demoted from World League, they then have 6 teams from USAPL in the WL. and if a region has all 4 demoted then they only have the 2 new teams that get promoted. After the second season is over, same thing, no USAPL teams demoted, then there's 8 USAPL teams in and max 2 from a region that had theirs all demoted. Leaves the ability for all regions to have at least their top 2 teams in the WL and allows the stronger regions to have more representation over time. Also allows teams to be demoted back to their original league

pretty good idea, except what happens when the 9th and 10th place teams are actually better then half of the promotees?

Originally posted by Hokiemon
Think I read this suggestion in the old World League thread in the GLB main forum, not sure who made it tho.

1st season of the World League, the 4 conf final teams from all 8 Pro regions get promoted. End of the 1st season, all 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs get demoted back to their original Pro league.

2nd season, the finalists in each of the 8 Pro title games advance. Same demotion process

Rinse and repeat

After the 1st season, if none of the USAPL teams have anyone demoted from World League, they then have 6 teams from USAPL in the WL. and if a region has all 4 demoted then they only have the 2 new teams that get promoted. After the second season is over, same thing, no USAPL teams demoted, then there's 8 USAPL teams in and max 2 from a region that had theirs all demoted. Leaves the ability for all regions to have at least their top 2 teams in the WL and allows the stronger regions to have more representation over time. Also allows teams to be demoted back to their original league

But if [using them as an example, no offense intended] at the end of season 1, none of the 4 OPL reps were in the playoffs, wouldn't all 4 be demoted yet only 2 OPL teams get promoted? Where do the other 2 OPL teams go? To a different region? To OPL AAA? And how do you determine which 2 return to OPL and which 2 go elsewhere?

I think that was the issue with this suggestion, unless I am missing something.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Hokiemon

Think I read this suggestion in the old World League thread in the GLB main forum, not sure who made it tho.

1st season of the World League, the 4 conf final teams from all 8 Pro regions get promoted. End of the 1st season, all 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs get demoted back to their original Pro league.

2nd season, the finalists in each of the 8 Pro title games advance. Same demotion process

Rinse and repeat

After the 1st season, if none of the USAPL teams have anyone demoted from World League, they then have 6 teams from USAPL in the WL. and if a region has all 4 demoted then they only have the 2 new teams that get promoted. After the second season is over, same thing, no USAPL teams demoted, then there's 8 USAPL teams in and max 2 from a region that had theirs all demoted. Leaves the ability for all regions to have at least their top 2 teams in the WL and allows the stronger regions to have more representation over time. Also allows teams to be demoted back to their original league

pretty good idea, except what happens when the 9th and 10th place teams are actually better then half of the promotees?
it does not matter, if they cant win/ meet the standards to stay, give someone else a chance. if they are that good, they will return next season.

Originally posted by coachviking

Keeping USA PRO as the best league, FAR AND AWAY, in GLB.


bullshit. SA Pro is right there with USA Pro