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CB Marshall Wallace - 12 KR 441 KR Yards 36.8 KR Avg 1 KR TD 155 PR 5,088.5 PR Yards 32.8 PR Average 44 PR TD's.

HUSH bitches!

Originally posted by Enkidu98
CB Marshall Wallace - 12 KR 441 KR Yards 36.8 KR Avg 1 KR TD 155 PR 5,088.5 PR Yards 32.8 PR Average 44 PR TD's.

HUSH bitches!

STE ODE W255-0 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0 38 1830.5 48.2 22
STE MIS W255-0 0 0 0 0.0 0 1 89.0 89 1 30 1456.5 48.6 19

Miller Miller vs Odessa = 5

And we don't have a purpose built ST's using Xeef's guys.

Put Marshall on the Hoplites and he'd have a lot more than he does now.

Miller Millers returns for TD's are also in what appear to be rather lopsided games, though not as lopsided as ours.

Just tired of all the Miller Miller rah rah when you could put pretty much any player at returns behind Xeefs's guys and get a few returns for TD's.

Originally posted by jbleich
Originally posted by Enders

Originally posted by Kcirdor


so that takes away a return vs Emanus for Peewee, *shrugs*

Hoplites don't play Emmaus, or I would count them too. Who is to say though, that Miller would or wouldn't do better against Emmaus?

Friendly

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Originally posted by Enkidu98
Miller Miller vs Odessa = 5

And we don't have a purpose built ST's using Xeef's guys.

Put Marshall on the Hoplites and he'd have a lot more than he does now.

Miller Millers returns for TD's are also in what appear to be rather lopsided games, though not as lopsided as ours.

Just tired of all the Miller Miller rah rah when you could put pretty much any player at returns behind Xeefs's guys and get a few returns for TD's.

tbh, Marshall Wallace isn't even in the conversation for who is the best returner in EEPL. All but 1 of his returns have come against teams with a combined record of 0-36. Notice the zero? The other came against RR. Miller Miller gets them against good teams, Wallace does not.

Odessa has a lot more CPU players now than they did when we played them, just look at the two box scores.

The returns that Wallace gets are in games that are much much more lopsided than the games that Miller gets his returns in.

Miller does get talked up a lot, mostly by me and jazzed, but for good reason. Sure the guys in front of him help, but its not like he is running in a straight line every time he returns the ball, he still has to make guys miss, or get around someone, almost every return he has. Would Wallace do better behind Xeefs guys? Maybe, maybe not. You have no way of knowing.

Blah Blah Blah.

Again. Dedicated special teams unit run by Xeef vs working with our roster and putting players on the ST's as best I can without killing plays per game or affecting the performance of the starters too much.

Xeef comes to the Ballers and Miller Miller = crap.

You're talking up a result of your blocking, not a spectacular returner build.

Thats my biggest point.

If I had dedicated ST's players for the Ballers, I am fairly certain Wallace would have significantly more returns than he does presently. Likely 2 per game easily against 'equal' opponents.

Originally posted by Enkidu98
Blah Blah Blah.

Again. Dedicated special teams unit run by Xeef vs working with our roster and putting players on the ST's as best I can without killing plays per game or affecting the performance of the starters too much.

Xeef comes to the Ballers and Miller Miller = crap.

You're talking up a result of your blocking, not a spectacular returner build.

Thats my biggest point.

If I had dedicated ST's players for the Ballers, I am fairly certain Wallace would have significantly more returns than he does presently. Likely 2 per game easily against 'equal' opponents.

Just sounds like you making excuses as to why your guy isn't as good to me.

2 per game against equal opponents? You think it makes that much of a difference that you would go from not being able to return anything except against teams with zero wins, to putting up 2 per game against teams like Emmaus? lol

I will admit that having Xeefs guy in front does help, but not to the extreme that you make it out to be. Your 2 per game thought is lol

Well you can believe what you want, but its the blocking that really makes the plays. Put Miller Miller on any other team in the league and he'll have bupkiss.

Or, allow Xeef's guys to come play for the Ballers.

Miller Millres build is not spectacular from what I understand. I have Return men on my team that destroy the opposition and make most all our games look like blowouts. It's the blocking.

You can believe what you want about Miller Miller, but I can guaranty its the blocking. Run a special teams squad like teams without Xeef and see how he does.

Like I said, it helps yes. But not to the extremes that you try to make it out to be. Wallace would not go from zero returns per game against equal opponents to 2 per game.

I run ST's or have run ST's for a number of teams. I can assure you, the blocking is the biggest part of the equation.

I know Xeef made Miller Miller as well, I'm just saying, plug in any like leveled player who is good for the role (CB, Speedy HB, WR) and you'll get the same production from your Return Man. What is making the plays is Xeef's amazing squad of ST's players.

Originally posted by Enkidu98
I run ST's or have run ST's for a number of teams. I can assure you, the blocking is the biggest part of the equation.

I know Xeef made Miller Miller as well, I'm just saying, plug in any like leveled player who is good for the role (CB, Speedy HB, WR) and you'll get the same production from your Return Man. What is making the plays is Xeef's amazing squad of ST's players.

Maybe, maybe not.

Irrelevant anyways, saying "Yeah well I'd be just as good if I had XX and XX too!" is a bit childish and you don't really know for sure anyways, you're just assuming. The way it is right now, Miller Miller >>>>> Wallace. Sorry guy.

I'm not really hyping Wallace. Just tired of the Miller Miller hype.

I think Wallace is passable and has had decent performance but is not a superstar. Outside of occasional posts just for fun to the contrary.

Originally posted by xeef
Originally posted by Kcirdor

im only stating in your view peewee loses one of his returns. but if you really want to find out. Scrimmage them. I doubt they have time for a scrim though.

This season

CB Miller Miller 3 92.5 30.8 0 5 154.5 30.9 1
Lafayette KR Yds Avg TD PR Yds Avg TD
CB PeeWee Herman 0 0 0 0 6 99 16.5 0

Last season

Lafayette KR Yds Avg TD PR Yds Avg TD
CB PeeWee Herman 3 76.5 25.5 0 2 14.5 7.3 0
Hellas KR Yds Avg TD PR Yds Avg TD
CB Miller Miller 3 82.5 27.5 0 3 127.5 42.5 1


Frankly, its not close.

To be fair, miller doesent have to return against the goonsquad. 1 TD. 1 TD allowed in what, 8 seasons now.

last season you had one or 2 extra gut games as you caught people at the end of the season that we played for real... Whats your point? and jumbled up numbers don't really make any sense to anyone...

Originally posted by Kcirdor
Originally posted by xeef

Originally posted by Kcirdor


im only stating in your view peewee loses one of his returns. but if you really want to find out. Scrimmage them. I doubt they have time for a scrim though.

This season

CB Miller Miller 3 92.5 30.8 0 5 154.5 30.9 1
Lafayette KR Yds Avg TD PR Yds Avg TD
CB PeeWee Herman 0 0 0 0 6 99 16.5 0

Last season

Lafayette KR Yds Avg TD PR Yds Avg TD
CB PeeWee Herman 3 76.5 25.5 0 2 14.5 7.3 0
Hellas KR Yds Avg TD PR Yds Avg TD
CB Miller Miller 3 82.5 27.5 0 3 127.5 42.5 1


Frankly, its not close.

To be fair, miller doesent have to return against the goonsquad. 1 TD. 1 TD allowed in what, 8 seasons now.

last season you had one or 2 extra gut games as you caught people at the end of the season that we played for real... Whats your point? and jumbled up numbers don't really make any sense to anyone...

I think I've made the point to you several times, Whether you look at the season as a whole, or whether you take out all the gutted teams from both returners (which gives peewee 1 game more than Miller Miller fyi) Miller Miller is better. No matter how you want to cut it up.

Against the top teams, Miller did better.
Against the gutted teams, Miller did better.
On the season including gutted teams, Miller did better.
On the season excluding gutted teams, Miller did better (with one less game)

Give Amtrak his cupcake games and he'll lead the fucking league. Only in PR. Jackie Maneul can have all the kick returns.