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Originally posted by xTrav
Who are they?

My # 1 would be _______ (name removed by agent's request)

2. thehazyone
3. Whoever runs the O for ***Official*** Footballguys
4. Havoc
5. kalkmanc

As much as you rave about him I believe everyone on Compton knows who your #1 is. He is very good. I can't deny it. Aww shit I might as well just tell everyone!

kadafitcd

I heard that guy couldn't gameplan his way out of a paper bag

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
I heard that guy couldn't gameplan his way out of a paper bag

Yeah I couldn't get out so I burned the motha down!

Touche

Originally posted by bhall43
"Whoever has the best talent."

I completely disagree with that. I'm not going to pretend for a second that talent isn't a massive help. No doubt in the world that it is. That said, certain OCs just flat out beat up on Ds that are superior in talent on a very regular basis. Of course, there comes a point where there's no amount of GPing that can close the gap. I'd even grant that the greater the talent gap the narrower the margin for error, but I think that believing it ultimately comes down to talent and not GMing (on either side of the ball), is flat out a fallacy in most cases. You take a middle of the pack talent USAP team and, with top notch GMing, they become one of the top USAP teams (it's already happened with several teams). Top notch GMing has taken several bottom tier USAP teams to being lower lvl PO teams. I can think of teams that have had the reverse happen to them as well.

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by bhall43

"Whoever has the best talent."

I completely disagree with that. I'm not going to pretend for a second that talent isn't a massive help. No doubt in the world that it is. That said, certain OCs just flat out beat up on Ds that are superior in talent on a very regular basis. Of course, there comes a point where there's no amount of GPing that can close the gap. I'd even grant that the greater the talent gap the narrower the margin for error, but I think that believing it ultimately comes down to talent and not GMing (on either side of the ball), is flat out a fallacy in most cases. You take a middle of the pack talent USAP team and, with top notch GMing, they become one of the top USAP teams (it's already happened with several teams). Top notch GMing has taken several bottom tier USAP teams to being lower lvl PO teams. I can think of teams that have had the reverse happen to them as well.

I agree, but to a certain except. No doubt in my mind gameplanning can lead you to beat teams with more talent, but while GPing is huge, the talent disparity is still too much in Pro from the elite to the middle pack imo. For example, the Shockers just had way to much talent compared to my team for us to really win imo, no matter what we did.

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by bhall43

"Whoever has the best talent."

I completely disagree with that. I'm not going to pretend for a second that talent isn't a massive help. No doubt in the world that it is. That said, certain OCs just flat out beat up on Ds that are superior in talent on a very regular basis. Of course, there comes a point where there's no amount of GPing that can close the gap. I'd even grant that the greater the talent gap the narrower the margin for error, but I think that believing it ultimately comes down to talent and not GMing (on either side of the ball), is flat out a fallacy in most cases. You take a middle of the pack talent USAP team and, with top notch GMing, they become one of the top USAP teams (it's already happened with several teams). Top notch GMing has taken several bottom tier USAP teams to being lower lvl PO teams. I can think of teams that have had the reverse happen to them as well.

Well...completely agreed...but i dont care how great you gameplan in some instances...if the talent isnt there, it isnt there. It is a lot easier to make a gameplan with guys that simply get the job done day in and day out. That being said, there are tons of teams in USA Pro with that talent. And even some outside as well. But there are some brilliant OC's out there who just aren't surrounded by the right scene to get things done.

Originally posted by blln4lyf
Originally posted by PP

Originally posted by bhall43


"Whoever has the best talent."

I completely disagree with that. I'm not going to pretend for a second that talent isn't a massive help. No doubt in the world that it is. That said, certain OCs just flat out beat up on Ds that are superior in talent on a very regular basis. Of course, there comes a point where there's no amount of GPing that can close the gap. I'd even grant that the greater the talent gap the narrower the margin for error, but I think that believing it ultimately comes down to talent and not GMing (on either side of the ball), is flat out a fallacy in most cases. You take a middle of the pack talent USAP team and, with top notch GMing, they become one of the top USAP teams (it's already happened with several teams). Top notch GMing has taken several bottom tier USAP teams to being lower lvl PO teams. I can think of teams that have had the reverse happen to them as well.

I agree, but to a certain except. No doubt in my mind gameplanning can lead you to beat teams with more talent, but while GPing is huge, the talent disparity is still too much in Pro from the elite to the middle pack imo. For example, the Shockers just had way to much talent compared to my team for us to really win imo, no matter what we did.

I don't disagree, but for different reasons. The shockers happen to have one of the top 3 DCs in the game IMO and a damn good OC. They are one of the teams that make GMing work for them far better than the majority. Don't get me wrong, they have very good talent. The bitch of playing the Shockers is that their talent is magnified even more by having one of the very best OC/DC duos in them game as well. That's why every single ssn, they are always a top team at every lvl they've ever been at and also do extremely well when playing top teams all over USAP.

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by PP

Originally posted by bhall43


"Whoever has the best talent."

I completely disagree with that. I'm not going to pretend for a second that talent isn't a massive help. No doubt in the world that it is. That said, certain OCs just flat out beat up on Ds that are superior in talent on a very regular basis. Of course, there comes a point where there's no amount of GPing that can close the gap. I'd even grant that the greater the talent gap the narrower the margin for error, but I think that believing it ultimately comes down to talent and not GMing (on either side of the ball), is flat out a fallacy in most cases. You take a middle of the pack talent USAP team and, with top notch GMing, they become one of the top USAP teams (it's already happened with several teams). Top notch GMing has taken several bottom tier USAP teams to being lower lvl PO teams. I can think of teams that have had the reverse happen to them as well.

Well...completely agreed...but i dont care how great you gameplan in some instances...if the talent isnt there, it isnt there. It is a lot easier to make a gameplan with guys that simply get the job done day in and day out. That being said, there are tons of teams in USA Pro with that talent. And even some outside as well. But there are some brilliant OC's out there who just aren't surrounded by the right scene to get things done.

completely agree. The talent gap can only be so wide...Also, GMing can't consistently make up for much of a talent gap when you are facing a team with top notch OC/DC either. I'll even agree that it's entirely possible that the very best OC in the game has a losing record because he can't compete. Unfortunately, records get you the lime light. I appreciate it when ppl mention what GB did last ssn (and no, I'm not pretending to be the best). Frankly, the OCing I did the 1st 3 ssns I was up here (even the 4th) was far more impressive, IMO. GB flat out didn't have the talent to compete up here and I was running both sides of the ball. Since I'm average at best as a DC, it made OCing even harder. I'm proud as shit for making the POs those 1st 3 ssns. Last ssn, almost anyone could have ran the O and did well. We may not have had the most talented O here, but it was damn close if it wasn't. It's (edit: much, much, much easier) to win then.

Not Umbf

Originally posted by Buccs99
Not Umbf

100% agree.

Originally posted by PP
Since I'm average at best as a DC

What! You think you're that good

Originally posted by drewd21
Originally posted by PP

Since I'm average at best as a DC

What! You think you're that good



Yeah....I was in an overly generous mood last night

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by drewd21

Originally posted by PP


Since I'm average at best as a DC

What! You think you're that good



Yeah....I was in an overly generous mood last night

under my tutelage or so the Wolfpack GM chart says

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by PP

Originally posted by drewd21


Originally posted by PP



Since I'm average at best as a DC

What! You think you're that good



Yeah....I was in an overly generous mood last night

under my tutelage or so the Wolfpack GM chart says

Oh i have no doubt that he's getting better with help