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Originally posted by Gambit26
Hey remember that one time a long time ago when you got bent over by the Shockers......?

Who? What? When? Where? Why? How?

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Originally posted by Gambit26
Hey remember that one time a long time ago when you got bent over by the Shockers......?

Hey Bet the outcome is a shit load different next time we play If they can get out of the East

P sure we still own scoreboard over the Shockers and we've never rubbed it in their faces, you must be new Gambit.

God i hate tim tebow. So much. I need to get the fuck out of gainesville

Originally posted by chronoaug
God i hate tim tebow. So much. I need to get the fuck out of gainesville

But Tim and Jesus love you

Originally posted by coachviking
Originally posted by Gambit26

Hey remember that one time a long time ago when you got bent over by the Shockers......?

Hey Bet the outcome is a shit load different next time we play If they can get out of the East

Well that'll be fun too

Lol to this thread.

OP tried his 2nd attempt at crappy flaming and was responded to by people insulting him followed by a Jay Cutler derailment.

Nicely done guys. Nicely done.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Lol to this thread.

OP tried his 2nd attempt at crappy flaming and was responded to by people insulting him followed by a Jay Cutler derailment.

Nicely done guys. Nicely done.

Jay Culter derailment was solid

Insulting Pretty week

All in all a poor thread IMO

It was somewhat solid, though the Tebow>Cutler argument is laughable at best.

Also, great QBs make WRs good much more often than the other way around.

Antonio Freeman for instance was Farve's #1 for a few years and made a few Pro Bowls. He really wasn't that great of a receiver though, but Farve made him much better.

I'd also like to argue that Marvin Harrison was never one of the best WRs in football, but having Peyton there helped him immensely.

On the Cowboys in 2006, Bledsoe had a 69 QB rating through 6 games, Romo came in and had a 95 QB rating with the exact same weapons.

The saints when they got Drew Brees were what, 3-13, 2-14 the year before? They had pick 2 overall in the draft and drafted a gadget running back. The next year they make the playoffs, and I'm positive if Drew Brees wasn't slinging the rock, you'd have no idea who Marques Colston is.

I mean, sure you can argue that Good WRs can survive well with a bad QB and produce, more so than a good QB with no cast. But the thing we are really talking about is one positions ability to effect the others and make a team win. A great QB can make average WRs look good and good WRs look great. A great WR, aside from perhaps 2-3 in history, cannot have that effect. If you have a QB who's mobile, has good pocket presence, great arm, great vision, your WRs suddenly become a whole lot better. Your O-line suddenly becomes a whole lot better ( likewhen romo took over the cowboys in '06 their O-line was doing completely awful).

So perhaps Cutler is going to become a great QB, perhaps he isn't, but to argue that their O-line was the best group of pass blockers in football, or that the Bronco's have one of the top 5-10 receiving cores in football is a losing battle. On a team where the top 7 HBs got injured, and the defense was one of the NFL's worst, cutler threw for 4400 yards and led his team to 8 wins. I'll take it. There are situations where you can argue a QB is a product of the season, Matt Cassel being 1 such case, but to argue that Cutlers situation was near as good as Cassel's is simply incorrect....

All imo of course.

A losing battle? Good luck arguing against the OL being one of the NFL's best pass protecting OL. They allowed the least amount of sacks last season while having a QB who was near the NFL lead in attempts. You could say it's a byproduct of Cutler's quick release or the Bronco's WR core but I'd then say that Cutler was sacked 27 times in 2007 compared to the 11 times in 2008. Also while Cutler did put up a lot of yards, he also turned the ball over 20 times. Which is a horrid fit for McDaniels system. Cutler has the Brett Favre gunslinger mentality with a worse attitude. I wish the Bears luck with him but if their OL starts to struggle or their WR core doesn't play well, expect Cutler to be a negative lockerroom presence.

As for QBs making WRs more than WRs make QBs, it's a subjective argument since there's no real way to prove it because there are plenty of examples on both sides. As for your argument of Harrison, to me, both made each other. Manning needed Harrison and Harrison needed Manning but before Manning, Harrison was still a good WR for the first 2 seasons of his career, just not a great one.

EDIT: However, arguing that Harrison was never one of the NFL's best WRs is not a sound argument imo. Harrison plain produced and was a great WR under Peyton but if you saw the way he played, it wasn't just Manning. It was Harrison opening up a lot of those opportunities. I'd say Harrison, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt are the greatest route runners of the last decade. Wayne will be up there very soon.

As for the Tebow > Cutler argument, it was a joke.

tebow's the joke

Timely bump

Good read.

I feel like I've read this thread before.