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Originally posted by PDO
Originally posted by oronis

Originally posted by hokegoalie


DEs were completely skullfucked recently bud. You must have missed the memo.

I was actually wondering if it was still bugged for everyone myself. Despite the lack of any evidence to support a fix, I was kind of freaked out by the lack of complaints about pass rushing on this forum and in the bugs and suggestions forums as well. I guess everyone has just gone complacent.

To the OP - putting a DT at DE will decrease his production because of the OOP penalty, and because he is facing OTs rather than Gs; who are built better to stop pass rushing.

They're not complacent at all - the problem is, most of them have retired because they became completely useless when Bort gave into Ken1 & Co and nerfed DE's because we dominated shitty builds and occasionally got a sack against a legitimate build.

It was stupid then, it remains stupid now, and I'm seriously losing faith that it's ever going to be dealt with.

And now Ken1 is a tester. He screws over a position and is rewarded. He also still refuses to admit that DEs are broken.

Originally posted by sjmay
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by sjmay


Originally posted by jrry32



Originally posted by CapnEnnui




Think DEs are bad, you should see blitzing ROLBs...

Somehow OTs can block both the DE and the LB most of the time. If your LB is lucky he'll get a hurry.


Agreed. As for DEs, sack numbers are up a little but the interaction still isn't where it should be and DEs aren't dominating low level and CPU OTs like they should be.(or most aren't)

Jrry, do you remember what R8 said last Saturday?

Yes, I do. But until that is rolled out and proven to work, I will not change my stance.



Yep, just from what he was saying, it sounded soon, that's all,

We'll see.

Originally posted by kc1678
my dt is a level 32 and his production is the same if not better. He doesn't have great numbers but watching the games he is just as efficient

Your DT is putting up worse numbers than my NT tbh

No offense really, but I wouldn't call that production

EDIT: Actually, you're about a game behind, so their numbers are probably about even. But still, he's an NT.

Originally posted by jrry32


We'll see.



This.

I hate to seem pessimistic, but we've been burned before on potential "fixes"

IMO this season is the worst yet for the d-line. Supposedly the QB vision nerf was put in place but it really does not seem to matter if a d-linemen can never shed a block. Still the only way to get near the QB is to out speed the o-line.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by PDO

Originally posted by oronis


Originally posted by hokegoalie



DEs were completely skullfucked recently bud. You must have missed the memo.

I was actually wondering if it was still bugged for everyone myself. Despite the lack of any evidence to support a fix, I was kind of freaked out by the lack of complaints about pass rushing on this forum and in the bugs and suggestions forums as well. I guess everyone has just gone complacent.

To the OP - putting a DT at DE will decrease his production because of the OOP penalty, and because he is facing OTs rather than Gs; who are built better to stop pass rushing.

They're not complacent at all - the problem is, most of them have retired because they became completely useless when Bort gave into Ken1 & Co and nerfed DE's because we dominated shitty builds and occasionally got a sack against a legitimate build.

It was stupid then, it remains stupid now, and I'm seriously losing faith that it's ever going to be dealt with.

And now Ken1 is a tester. He screws over a position and is rewarded. He also still refuses to admit that DEs are broken.




Somewhere down the line though Bort didn't just nerf DEs, he nerfed blitzing ROLBs as well. I'm guessing all of pass rushing is broken, as I've seen someone complain about blitzing FS speed.

I'm also a bit miffed at how this problem continues to go on 5+ games into the season. We've already built our defenses for the season, and any REAL change that fixes pass rushing will undoubtedly hurt the passing game and create gigantic complaints across the forums.

Originally posted by oronis
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by PDO


Originally posted by oronis



Originally posted by hokegoalie




DEs were completely skullfucked recently bud. You must have missed the memo.

I was actually wondering if it was still bugged for everyone myself. Despite the lack of any evidence to support a fix, I was kind of freaked out by the lack of complaints about pass rushing on this forum and in the bugs and suggestions forums as well. I guess everyone has just gone complacent.

To the OP - putting a DT at DE will decrease his production because of the OOP penalty, and because he is facing OTs rather than Gs; who are built better to stop pass rushing.

They're not complacent at all - the problem is, most of them have retired because they became completely useless when Bort gave into Ken1 & Co and nerfed DE's because we dominated shitty builds and occasionally got a sack against a legitimate build.

It was stupid then, it remains stupid now, and I'm seriously losing faith that it's ever going to be dealt with.

And now Ken1 is a tester. He screws over a position and is rewarded. He also still refuses to admit that DEs are broken.




Somewhere down the line though Bort didn't just nerf DEs, he nerfed blitzing ROLBs as well. I'm guessing all of pass rushing is broken, as I've seen someone complain about blitzing FS speed.

I'm also a bit miffed at how this problem continues to go on 5+ games into the season. We've already built our defenses for the season, and any REAL change that fixes pass rushing will undoubtedly hurt the passing game and create gigantic complaints across the forums.


It's not even really that DEs or pass rushing in general was "nerfed", broken pass rushing is a combination of a few different factors like Blocking being buffed (any respectable amount of blocking allows you to almost totally lock down the d-line) and QB releasing the ball too quickly (this has apparently been tweaked, but I'll be totally honest I haven't noticed much of a difference)

One of my favourite "solutions" posed which I'm sure was entirely ignored, was to simulate OT "backpedaling" by giving them a penalty of some sort when moving backwards with the DE, which would help make pass rushing viable without affecting an OTs performance on rushing plays. This, and better simulation of the QB's "blind side" would do wonders to help pass rushing.

kind of weird, my DE's, which generally dont do much like most DE's, had five sacks tonight against the graz grizzlies, season 8 wepl champs:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=565414

a defensive play was called that was at 0% in my AI as well, so just one of those games, i guess.

Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by oronis

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by PDO



Originally posted by oronis




Originally posted by hokegoalie





DEs were completely skullfucked recently bud. You must have missed the memo.

I was actually wondering if it was still bugged for everyone myself. Despite the lack of any evidence to support a fix, I was kind of freaked out by the lack of complaints about pass rushing on this forum and in the bugs and suggestions forums as well. I guess everyone has just gone complacent.

To the OP - putting a DT at DE will decrease his production because of the OOP penalty, and because he is facing OTs rather than Gs; who are built better to stop pass rushing.

They're not complacent at all - the problem is, most of them have retired because they became completely useless when Bort gave into Ken1 & Co and nerfed DE's because we dominated shitty builds and occasionally got a sack against a legitimate build.

It was stupid then, it remains stupid now, and I'm seriously losing faith that it's ever going to be dealt with.

And now Ken1 is a tester. He screws over a position and is rewarded. He also still refuses to admit that DEs are broken.




Somewhere down the line though Bort didn't just nerf DEs, he nerfed blitzing ROLBs as well. I'm guessing all of pass rushing is broken, as I've seen someone complain about blitzing FS speed.

I'm also a bit miffed at how this problem continues to go on 5+ games into the season. We've already built our defenses for the season, and any REAL change that fixes pass rushing will undoubtedly hurt the passing game and create gigantic complaints across the forums.


It's not even really that DEs or pass rushing in general was "nerfed", broken pass rushing is a combination of a few different factors like Blocking being buffed (any respectable amount of blocking allows you to almost totally lock down the d-line) and QB releasing the ball too quickly (this has apparently been tweaked, but I'll be totally honest I haven't noticed much of a difference)

One of my favourite "solutions" posed which I'm sure was entirely ignored, was to simulate OT "backpedaling" by giving them a penalty of some sort when moving backwards with the DE, which would help make pass rushing viable without affecting an OTs performance on rushing plays. This, and better simulation of the QB's "blind side" would do wonders to help pass rushing.

Take a look in here...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2589310&page=1

Nothing but positive comments and +1's... but it fell, because there's literally not enough people left who give a shit about DE's any more.

My DE is awesome. Sometimes he even makes a tackle. I don't know what y'alls problem is. Free Nfrat.This game is perfect.

Originally posted by britdevine316
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by britdevine316


Originally posted by jrry32



Originally posted by britdevine316




I'll be retiring both my DT's and both my DE's unless it's fixed.

Which is sad, because both my Lvl 40 DT and DE dominated last season.


If they are working, why retire them?

They aren't working, both are totally useless now

Oh that sucks. My balanced DE is useful this season. He gets some sacks but mainly he is a huge asset in my team's stellar run game.



My DE does pretty good vs. the run, the thing is, I don't really care about the run. I want to see hurry's + sacks from this guy.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=682490

I can't shed blocks without getting re-engaged instantly, I cant get around the OT, I can't do anything hardly.

After all this time of having a stellar player, now he has been nerfed to hell for season 9.

Not to burst your bubble or anything... but during the regular season, your guy had one sack in games decided by less than 50 points.

Originally posted by Blamo
Originally posted by britdevine316

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by britdevine316



Originally posted by jrry32




Originally posted by britdevine316





I'll be retiring both my DT's and both my DE's unless it's fixed.

Which is sad, because both my Lvl 40 DT and DE dominated last season.


If they are working, why retire them?

They aren't working, both are totally useless now

Oh that sucks. My balanced DE is useful this season. He gets some sacks but mainly he is a huge asset in my team's stellar run game.



My DE does pretty good vs. the run, the thing is, I don't really care about the run. I want to see hurry's + sacks from this guy.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=682490

I can't shed blocks without getting re-engaged instantly, I cant get around the OT, I can't do anything hardly.

After all this time of having a stellar player, now he has been nerfed to hell for season 9.

Not to burst your bubble or anything... but during the regular season, your guy had one sack in games decided by less than 50 points.

Did you even read what he wrote?

DEs are not broken I have one myself and have so far not had any problems. I've also been around GLB since Season 1 and every year I've had at least 1 DE on my team dominate with 20+ sacks. If you want to know why you are not producing how about post your builds so we can laugh.

Originally posted by IronMike
DEs are not broken I have one myself and have so far not had any problems. I've also been around GLB since Season 1 and every year I've had at least 1 DE on my team dominate with 20+ sacks. If you want to know why you are not producing how about post your builds so we can laugh.

Your DE is level 26 in a BBB league.

This season, he has one sack in a non-blowout game.

Last season, he had two sacks in a non-blowout game (which you won by 30+, regardless).

Originally posted by IronMike
DEs are not broken I have one myself and have so far not had any problems. I've also been around GLB since Season 1 and every year I've had at least 1 DE on my team dominate with 20+ sacks. If you want to know why you are not producing how about post your builds so we can laugh.

Ok, let's take a look shall we? Two teams:
Montana Grizzlies - top sacker is Jared Roth (LDE) with 7 sacks so far this season. Sounds good...oh wait...3 sacks in a 237-3 win, 0 in a 101-14 win, 1 in a 33-30 win, 2 in a 117-14 win, 1 in a 104-0 win. So he has 1 real sack this season.

Hamburg Lers - 0 sacks so far this season from any player, but they do have a total of 5 hurries.

Then there is the team your DE, Mike Szat plays on. 6 sacks so far this season. Maybe this is the monster. Let's see - 3 sacks in a 66-6 win, 0 in a 77-3 win, 0 in a 47-6 win, 1 in a 33-7 win, 2 in a 108-0 win. So we'll be generous and give you the sack in the 33-7 win. Not too much production there either.

Rather than laughing at someone else's build, maybe you should just sit there while we laugh at your disconnect from reality.

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