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Originally posted by Romeorr
Originally posted by islander1

Romeorr - all trolling aside, you really should have asked to be relegated last season. You should this coming offseason. Its the only way your franchise is going to survive longterm, I think.

yeah take the pussy way out... My franchise will survive just because i take time every year to recruit my ass off. I may not get the top tier talent, but i atleast try to field a competitive team.

Im sorry, im not one of those owners who guts a team just because i lost a few games and know i wont have a winning season. Thats the problem with most people in today's society. they have been spoon fed crap and dont know how to work for something. Just because you fail doesnt mean you throw in the towel.

I know how difficult it is to get to the pro's So im not going to ask to be relegated. If i get relegated its because i was one of the bottom 2 teams in my conference.


LOL, okay. So you are chastising me, you of shit franchise, for suggesting 'the pussy way out', meanwhile your OP is basically asking for the rest of us for helping you pussy out of hiding the fact that your franchise sucks balls by hiding our previous seasons records and trophies.

oookay. Go crawl back into your hole now.

Originally posted by islander1
Originally posted by Romeorr

Originally posted by islander1


Romeorr - all trolling aside, you really should have asked to be relegated last season. You should this coming offseason. Its the only way your franchise is going to survive longterm, I think.

yeah take the pussy way out... My franchise will survive just because i take time every year to recruit my ass off. I may not get the top tier talent, but i atleast try to field a competitive team.

Im sorry, im not one of those owners who guts a team just because i lost a few games and know i wont have a winning season. Thats the problem with most people in today's society. they have been spoon fed crap and dont know how to work for something. Just because you fail doesnt mean you throw in the towel.

I know how difficult it is to get to the pro's So im not going to ask to be relegated. If i get relegated its because i was one of the bottom 2 teams in my conference.


LOL, okay. So you are chastising me, you of shit franchise, for suggesting 'the pussy way out', meanwhile your OP is basically asking for the rest of us for helping you pussy out of hiding the fact that your franchise sucks balls by hiding our previous seasons records and trophies.

oookay. Go crawl back into your hole now.


Islander, down buddy, lol.

While the OP was a stupid suggestion, Romeorr has my respect and deserves yours for not giving up in the face of adversity. So many other teams give up after a rough start one season, but he has not given up on Dallas and try's his hardest to make his team competitive. If all USA Pro owners had that dedication we'd be better off imo.

Btw islander, I know you hate GLB and I don't think you like, but do you have aim by chance bud?

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by islander1

Originally posted by Romeorr


Originally posted by islander1



Romeorr - all trolling aside, you really should have asked to be relegated last season. You should this coming offseason. Its the only way your franchise is going to survive longterm, I think.

yeah take the pussy way out... My franchise will survive just because i take time every year to recruit my ass off. I may not get the top tier talent, but i atleast try to field a competitive team.

Im sorry, im not one of those owners who guts a team just because i lost a few games and know i wont have a winning season. Thats the problem with most people in today's society. they have been spoon fed crap and dont know how to work for something. Just because you fail doesnt mean you throw in the towel.

I know how difficult it is to get to the pro's So im not going to ask to be relegated. If i get relegated its because i was one of the bottom 2 teams in my conference.


LOL, okay. So you are chastising me, you of shit franchise, for suggesting 'the pussy way out', meanwhile your OP is basically asking for the rest of us for helping you pussy out of hiding the fact that your franchise sucks balls by hiding our previous seasons records and trophies.

oookay. Go crawl back into your hole now.


Islander, down buddy, lol.

While the OP was a stupid suggestion, Romeorr has my respect and deserves yours for not giving up in the face of adversity. So many other teams give up after a rough start one season, but he has not given up on Dallas and try's his hardest to make his team competitive. If all USA Pro owners had that dedication we'd be better off imo.

Btw islander, I know you hate GLB and I don't think you like, but do you have aim by chance bud?

sorry, don't use chat clients. Most of my 'available chat' time is at work anyway, and they have it all firewalled.

and this post wasnt just for my team, i am just trying to understand why players whose endgame should be playing in the pro leagues, decide to play for other leagues who are not pro. The best talent should be in pro leagues but it obviously isnt. There are more than enough pro league talent to fill up the pro leagues and AAA leagues, but pro league talent shouldnt be playing in BBB or A leagues like they are now.

Romeorr is a good guy. The underlying point behind this thread is that there is little to no incentive for a player to play in the Pros unless they are on one of the top 3-4 teams in each conference that have a good chance at winning the title.

Many players would prefer to win an AAA championship, or even worse, go to lower levels and dominate weaker competition.

It WOULD be nice if there was player incentive to playing in the Pros. Oh wait....we got fame....I forgot

A change in this system COULD prevent the death spiral that affects almost every team that misses the playoffs. There are few examples of a team at this level missing the playoffs and rebounding to survive. The Gamblers are one that sticks out obviously. Most of the time, the team loses a player or two, tougher competition comes in, they slide further the next season and gut shortly thereafter.

Providing player incentive to play at the Pro level could help some of these teams turn it around, which I think would be very good for the game because it would help extend rivalries. It would also prevent teams joining the Pros that weren't ready yet, which I think is going to be the case this season now that the Pros are almost full of solid teams.

On the other hand, the player is paying to play the game every season, so they should get to pick where they play.

Old news. According to Bort, working as intended. Since season 1.

My opinion/suggestion was given with good intentions based on this death spiral thats pretty common knowledge. Broken GLB economics, since day 1. His response was calling me someone who would take the pussy way out. So whatever, I'm not the one whining about failing to recruit and suggesting we all hide our wins over his team.

Good guy my ass. I was the only one who didn't actually troll him. Maybe I should have just said

"crai less, win moar" like everyone else.

I don't think he called you someone who would take the pussy way out.

He said that if he asked to be relegated he would be taking the pussy way out.

That is how I read it anyway...I think you are misreading his reply.

Originally posted by The Duff Man
I don't think he called you someone who would take the pussy way out.

He said that if he asked to be relegated he would be taking the pussy way out.

That is how I read it anyway...I think you are misreading his reply.

If so then I apologize. I've been in a mood today since the games ran :/

I wasnt calling anyone a pussy, duff explained in better detail what i couldnt. He was right in saying there is no incentive for players to be in pro. I had made a suggestion on maybe putting medals on player profiles such as Pro Player or something like that but it got ignored. Something a player can brag about while they are in pro but then it gets taken away once they leave. Have them for each league. For a while i thought endorsements were going to do that, but bort made it to where only a select few got them.

Originally posted by Romeorr
I wasnt calling anyone a pussy, duff explained in better detail what i couldnt. He was right in saying there is no incentive for players to be in pro. I had made a suggestion on maybe putting medals on player profiles such as Pro Player or something like that but it got ignored. Something a player can brag about while they are in pro but then it gets taken away once they leave. Have them for each league. For a while i thought endorsements were going to do that, but bort made it to where only a select few got them.

I think there is a major incentive....Playing with and against the best in the game is most every agents goal. That's why USA PRO is every players goal. Another shinny medal/trophy doesn't change that.

Originally posted by coachviking


I think there is a major incentive....Playing with and against the best in the game is most every agents goal. That's why USA PRO is every players goal. Another shinny medal/trophy doesn't change that.

Im curious CV are you really this self deluded. If the incentive was so major you would have to beat back the FA's for all the pro teams, but that just isnt the case. Most agents dont see a difference between pro AAA or AA lvls. and they dont care about the competition, they just want an easy trophy. You look at most agents and first thing they say is I want a Good franchise with playoff hopes, and I can understand that in the middle of the season. But in the offseason all franchises have playoff hopes.

I can understand if they say i want an active forum and such, that to me makes sense.

I guess you just wont understand until you have 2 or 3 losing seasons.

Originally posted by Romeorr
You look at most agents and first thing they say is I want a Good franchise with playoff hopes, and I can understand that in the middle of the season. But in the offseason all franchises have playoff hopes.



Wrong

Next thing you know this bozo will want everyone to have to divide their flex equally among all players so there will be no advantage. This guy is reading right out of the communist manifesto by Marx

Romeorr I have a lot of respect for you dating back to Season 2 and before you were promoted to USA Pro, but I think you're off on your original point of the thread. I think relegating down to AAA by choice isn't necessarily a bad option at times, but I know I have the same perspective as you and would rather stick with it and my team and go 3-13 trying to build ourselves up. I have a lot of respect for you still being in USA Pro because most other owners would have given up at this point.


My own team finished 6-10 last season in USA AAA#2 even though I felt like we were a stronger team than the year before when we finished 9-7 and made the playoffs.

I definitely had a hard time recruiting this off-season... publicly. Between team networks I had a lot of guys either join the team or add another player to my team because they actually believed in our team and knew we were much stronger than 6-10. But recruiting guys who weren't familiar with my team? Forget it. And I can't blame them either. If I got an offer from a 6-10 team telling me about how they were a championship contender in just about any league I'd probably give it a "haha yeah right" laugh and I'd definitely never sign with them either.

Was I supposed to ignore my team's 6-10 record in recruiting? I feel like that's something that if I don't mention it the player will notice and feel like "oh, there's the catch." If I send them a solid, well-written recruiting letter and mention our 6-10 season the only thing they'll really get out of the letter is the 6-10 record. If I send them a letter and don't mention our record from the season before, when the recruit notices it they are going to definitely have some distrust and wonder why I didn't mention something like that.


However, there are some agents that don't fall into this category. The guys I have signed throughout the years that signed on because of our record or playoff chances never ended up staying with the team for very long because unless we won trophy after trophy we weren't successful enough for them I guess. The guys I have signed that joined because they liked our team in particular have been much better agents and are either still around or have left here on great terms and for good reason.

I know team players are the minority in GLB unless you're recruiting through other quality agents/GM's, etc. that you already know, but honestly Romeorr I think if you were signing these guys that you're complaining about most that they wouldn't stay with the Vaqueros for more than one season. They're aren't going to help you out long-term that's for sure.

A couple of ideas that I do like though that I don't think would hurt anyone really.

I do like the X Region Pro League medal idea for players. I think under that text it should say something like "Seasons 4-6"
That way, you reward players for sticking around longer (more than likely one team). It would be neat for some players to possibly have a medal from each region's Pro league, and someone that moves around every season is going to stick out to recruiters pretty easily.

I don't think it will help the top teams even more with recruiting. If you add in medals most people will still sign with the same teams as before. Pro teams will have to decide which players are more interested in something like a medal or in their team, and it could help out the lower teams in Pro Leagues as their players would be getting rewarded for joining even a lesser Pro team, but also for sticking with the team.

It won't hurt recruiting for AAA and lower leagues, and if anything will help them with recruiting solid players. They won't be missing out on the guys who just want a Pro medal. On the other hand, they now have a new way to recruit players. They can pitch to a player that they have a number of Ex-Pro players on the team, all of whom have loved the team so much they've stayed down in AA (or A, etc.) with this team for five seasons.


I really think this would be an idea that would help out the bottom teams in the Pro Leagues with being able to build their teams back up to be competitive again. They may have to sign some T.O.-esque players to fill out their roster for a quick fix, knowing they will have to find a replacement later. Right now they have no chance of signing most players. Also I think anything that will help those owners feel like there's reason to stick with it like Romeorr has done with his team is a positive change for GLB.

You have to have something to balance out the trophy aspect of the game considering only 2 out of 32 Pro teams even get a trophy each season. Maybe even incorporating a Bronze trophy for conference finalists would be nice? Knowing how often a team has lost there would be interesting to know.

As it stands right now my player could have been in USA Pro since Season 1 until Season 8, but if we never won a trophy and then the team was gutted there would be easy or nice way for me to prove that or show it without looking like a douchebag going "HAY my QB was in US Pro for five seasons!!!"

Once my player has moved on it would be kind of nice to remember something like which seasons he was in whichever Pro League. There are only so many Pro roster spots, and no good team (no bad ones can afford it) is going to run with 8 HB's even if they could because people were that desperate for medals. I do think it would help keep Pro rosters filled. It's not like this idea would allow the Vaqueros to become as good as Monmouth but it would at least give them a chance to be more competitive.

It's still going to be the teams who go with the right players that come out ahead in the long run.