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cowtesticles2001
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....up confidence IMO....
 
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Originally posted by coachviking
Originally posted by Ubasstards

Coachviking, i disagree that USAPL should be given any preference over other leagues in terms of suggestions and that Bort should "come here" for suggestions.

Other people in other leagues are also customers of this game and should have a voice. I understand that a noob may not know shit, but they may still have some decent suggestions.

That being said, I believe that SAPL and many other leagues (pro or not) would agree with many of the things suggested in the other thread started by Hazy. No reason for Bort to give more weighting to this league relative to others though. Sure I know everyone will post "we've got the best owner, GM, player, etc..." but that is just more of USAPL's superiority complex.


Ok you Bastard maybe he does not need to listen to Usa Pro but he sure as hell needs to listen to some one. I must not have made it clear enogh that the USA Pro opinions are not perfect but they sure as hell are better than what ever advice Bort is taking at this point in time


hell yeah he should listen to USA PRO. We been around too damn long. We know what it was like when this shit started up. USAPL ftw tbh.
 
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Originally posted by thehazyone
I guess I'm tired of people bitching (always have been, even long before I was a mod and testing). It's a game - if you aren't enjoying it, then don't play or pay. It's really that simple. Me personally, if I was going to be unhappy about something for more than a couple months, I'd be long gone. I enjoy the game though and I understand it's not perfect and that there are things that need to improve (which is what I'm trying to do but with only one programmer, something which is at the core root at the major problem with this game, it takes a lot longer than if you had a well organized team of developers).

I'm just going to stay out of any thread that whines/bitches from now on, but y'all know where to find me if you need help or have any questions.

Hazy


You left out the last line in your quote.

Just sayin...
 
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Doublepost.
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Originally posted by cowtesticles2001
....up confidence IMO....


im already training vision/confidence....what else do you want from me !!!
 
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Originally posted by cincredfan
Originally posted by thehazyone


And fwiw, there are people telling me that the people complaining in USA Pro are the vocal minority and that most people are pleased with the game. I love the game and am going to continue playing it and doing everything I can for it, but to say that it's the vocal minority complaining is ludicrous imo.


This comment is definitely ridiculous. I am not one to post a lot regarding the shortcomings of the game but they are most definitely there.

I really think 1 of the biggest issues with the game relates to management. Hazy - you have tried to do a lot for the improvement of the game. (If you really told rj to quit if he was unhappy then I am disturbed).

I really think it says something about management to alienate some of their most loyal customers. I worry that the game engine will continue to decline as they make adjustments based on faulty logic thus the need to remove VA's until the game engine is fixed as recommended by PP.

1 other thing that worries me is profits made from GLB will continue to decline over time while overhead cost will increase or at best stay the same. 1 other thing I find ridiculous is the 100-200 point flex point giveaways - the best and worst customers get the same thing. Management needs to do better than that.


Since Bort likes Polls..He needs to put up one about VAs. I dont get why a person WANTS to be so out of touch with his customer base.
 
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Originally posted by Bort
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I don't see how VA's could be a major selling point for this game. GLB monopolizes the football MMORPG as far as I know, so lack of VA's won't make the customers leave to another football MMORPG. On the contrary, from an economical point of view I believe GLB and Bort would benefit from removing the VA's to make the sim easier to fix and thus making the game better in the long run. Because this game is really starting to come along as a jerry building. Bort started to build the roof and the balconies before he had finished the foundation and now the whole thing might collapse into a mess.
 
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Originally posted by Magneto
there is a lot of season one players not in the Pros

I think this is the best season as far as the sim in a long time

I don't compare this game to Madden and the NFL though


I bet you do love this season with your lvl 54 A players... I'm sure they're all performing just perfectly.
 
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I don't publically bitch about the state of the game since I generally feel it is about as productive as screaming at a brickwall. However, you can paint me in the corner of THE UNHAPPY PEOPLE.

With a USAPL record of 29-9, our fan support has steadly dropped. To me, that seems counter-intuitive. You've got teams like Minnesota that are perennial playoff teams in the toughest league in GLB and they are less profitable than some undefeated team in SE Asia AA. That's utterly ridiculous. Minnesota didn't have the luxury of fattening up their fan support on the way to USAPL like many of the current USAPL teams did (Lincoln obv included).

We were told in Season 8 that we shouldn't expect VA resets anymore. Then we get 13,000 resets in Season 9. Guess what? Everyone pretty much expects a reset in Season 10. If it doesn't happen, people are going to be pissed. What about the teams who fold and the players who VA spec'd the way that team wanted, aren't they deserving of a VA reset?

One simple fix to finances and the bullshit that goes along with gutting teams is to tie the equipment to the team. If Lincoln buys a +8 piece of EQ, that piece belongs to the organization. If the player leaves the organization to go play in Oceania A, he'll need to get the new equipment from his new team. Right now, EQ is the #1 money sinkhole in the game and that's stupid. As a team owner, I should be in control of the equipment that I have purchased and Lincoln's players should be paid enough salary to train and "do something". Individual players should be responsible/maintain control of their own AEQ.

Once upon a time, Bort talked about all these FAME unlockable activities for the players. Maybe for $XXX, a player could buy a +1 temp upgrade to an attribute or for $XXX a player could buy a temp upgrade to an SA. Maybe as a team owner, I should be able to buy an upgrade for my stadium to give a bonus to something. Maybe in Season 11, I'll get some actual advantage to playing a home game?

Sadly, this game feels more like a MMO than football. It has become more about effectively gaming the system than enjoying the game. Teams are now gameplanning to avoid taking a 14 point lead -- that's ridiculous. Big Heart VA is dumber than a box of rocks with all the smart rocks taken from the box. Do I blame anyone for using it? Not at all --- the Strong I Slam debacle from last season changed my mind about blaming the player base for exploiting overpowered crap.

Wipe VA's and fix some of the glaring core issues that have existed since inception. The ONLY reason I'm still playing GLB is because of the guys on my team who make it fun in spite of the BS.

Make the game entertaining because its more like football. I could be wrong but with thousands of RPG's on the market, I'm guessing football is the variable that attracted most of us (although I'll admit some people might have a dot fetish). Make the FOOTBALL part of the game better.
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Originally posted by ddingo
I don't publically bitch about the state of the game since I generally feel it is about as productive as screaming at a brickwall. However, you can paint me in the corner of THE UNHAPPY PEOPLE.



With a USAPL record of 29-9, our fan support has steadly dropped. To me, that seems counter-intuitive. You've got teams like Minnesota that are perennial playoff teams in the toughest league in GLB and they are less profitable than some undefeated team in SE Asia AA. That's utterly ridiculous. Minnesota didn't have the luxury of fattening up their fan support on the way to USAPL like many of the current USAPL teams did (Lincoln obv included).



We were told in Season 8 that we shouldn't expect VA resets anymore. Then we get 13,000 resets in Season 9. Guess what? Everyone pretty much expects a reset in Season 10. If it doesn't happen, people are going to be pissed. What about the teams who fold and the players who VA spec'd the way that team wanted, aren't they deserving of a VA reset?



One simple fix to finances and the bullshit that goes along with gutting teams is to tie the equipment to the team. If Lincoln buys a +8 piece of EQ, that piece belongs to the organization. If the player leaves the organization to go play in Oceania A, he'll need to get the new equipment from his new team. Right now, EQ is the #1 money sinkhole in the game and that's stupid. As a team owner, I should be in control of the equipment that I have purchased and Lincoln's players should be paid enough salary to train and "do something". Individual players should be responsible/maintain control of their own AEQ.



Once upon a time, Bort talked about all these FAME unlockable activities for the players. Maybe for $XXX, a player could buy a +1 temp upgrade to an attribute or for $XXX a player could buy a temp upgrade to an SA. Maybe as a team owner, I should be able to buy an upgrade for my stadium to give a bonus to something. Maybe in Season 11, I'll get some actual advantage to playing a home game?



Sadly, this game feels more like a MMO than football. It has become more about effectively gaming the system than enjoying the game. Teams are now gameplanning to
avoidtaking a 14 point lead -- that's ridiculous. Big Heart VA is dumber than a box of rocks with all the smart rocks taken from the box. Do I blame anyone for using it? Not at all --- the Strong I Slam debacle from last season changed my mind about blaming the player base for exploiting overpowered crap.



Wipe VA's and fix some of the glaring core issues that have existed since inception. The ONLY reason I'm still playing GLB is because of the guys on my team who make it fun in spite of the BS.



Make the game entertaining because its more like football. I could be wrong but with thousands of RPG's on the market, I'm guessing football is the variable that attracted most of us (although I'll admit some people might have a dot fetish). Make the FOOTBALL part of the game better.


I agree 100% I've actually debated going back to GD. At least the game engine is consistent.
 
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Originally posted by Cactus71
Originally posted by Bort

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Originally posted by ddingo

One simple fix to finances and the bullshit that goes along with gutting teams is to tie the equipment to the team. If Lincoln buys a +8 piece of EQ, that piece belongs to the organization. If the player leaves the organization to go play in Oceania A, he'll need to get the new equipment from his new team. Right now, EQ is the #1 money sinkhole in the game and that's stupid. As a team owner, I should be in control of the equipment that I have purchased and Lincoln's players should be paid enough salary to train and "do something". Individual players should be responsible/maintain control of their own AEQ.


 
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Brainstorming the team EQ idea...

I'm thinking you could buy EQ and assign it to a specific position. For example buy four +6 agility shirts and assign them to your DEs. Then when a DE goes to set their equipment, they can either use a piece of EQ the team has bought or one of their own. The player retains the ultimate choice of what to wear, but the team gives them options. Owners/GMs could sell EQ only if a player is not wearing it, but could upgrade items at any time. As an owner/GM you'd see a list of EQ and who's wearing what. Also add an equipment manager GM role to buy/sell/upgrade equipment.

One point that gets tricky is disassociating upgrades from player level. So maybe the player EQ is tied to level but the team EQ is tied to league. So something like:

Pro: +8
AAA: +6
AA: +6
A: +6
BBB: +4
BB: +4
B: +4
CCC (if ever) and below: +2

So a level 50+ guy slumming in B leagues would have to pay up to be fully equipped, while a level 40 in the pros could get a bigger bonus by using the team's EQ. This would be another way to help funnel high level players toward the top.

 
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