Warrior General Games

Originally posted by cincredfan
Please state if for keeping or removing VA's. I will keep the top thread updated.


Remove until the sim works then reimplement (season or 2)
Cincy Shockers
GB Maulers
manning (maulers)
da raiders (lightning)
MEM
Wolfpack
turner (richey)
luzod (compton)
OFG
Woody's
CCCC
HHW
OTR
Buccs (Compton)


Keep and modify
Roughnecks
Gamblers
BSB (mcbriar)
ubastards (OTR)
choplobster (NAN)
CG

IF Remove VA then remove SA
NAN
Remove VA and SA
Doomsday (lincoln)

I'd prefer to see VA's removed until more substantive gameplay issues are addressed. Adding more variables isn't the way to fix the foundation.

Keep and modify is the only logical choice imo, because...

#1 bort isn't simply going to remove a feature that he has worked to impliment.

#2 we would be back at square one with veteran players complaining that they never level. The VA's were added for a reason.

It is possibly to find a good balance of them that won't break the game, it just hasn't happened to this point. All you people who treat VA's as the anti-christ are missing the point imo. It is completely possible to have a dozen VA's per position which are balanced, not over powered, and don't break the sim. Unofortunately I'm not positive that bort himself can create such a combo, but we have to hope that he can.

All this "VA=Devil" talk is both retarded and worthless imo... It's like you guys talking about a complete SP reset, waste of words and not a constructive solution since it will not happen...

No offense meant in the above of course.

Since we are keeping tallys put down Parma for REMOVE

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Keep and modify is the only logical choice imo, because...

#1 bort isn't simply going to remove a feature that he has worked to impliment.

#2 we would be back at square one with veteran players complaining that they never level. The VA's were added for a reason.

It is possibly to find a good balance of them that won't break the game, it just hasn't happened to this point. All you people who treat VA's as the anti-christ are missing the point imo. It is completely possible to have a dozen VA's per position which are balanced, not over powered, and don't break the sim. Unofortunately I'm not positive that bort himself can create such a combo, but we have to hope that he can.

All this "VA=Devil" talk is both retarded and worthless imo... It's like you guys talking about a complete SP reset, waste of words and not a constructive solution since it will not happen...

No offense meant in the above of course.

good post....#2 can't be forgotten

Originally posted by Okole
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

Keep and modify is the only logical choice imo, because...

#1 bort isn't simply going to remove a feature that he has worked to impliment.

#2 we would be back at square one with veteran players complaining that they never level. The VA's were added for a reason.

It is possibly to find a good balance of them that won't break the game, it just hasn't happened to this point. All you people who treat VA's as the anti-christ are missing the point imo. It is completely possible to have a dozen VA's per position which are balanced, not over powered, and don't break the sim. Unofortunately I'm not positive that bort himself can create such a combo, but we have to hope that he can.

All this "VA=Devil" talk is both retarded and worthless imo... It's like you guys talking about a complete SP reset, waste of words and not a constructive solution since it will not happen...

No offense meant in the above of course.

good post....#2 can't be forgotten

When Bort can't get them right after two seasons, maybe it can.

Relying on Bort to fix them on the fly is pure ridiculousness. This is the guy who couldnt, for 30 days, figure out that strong I slam was overpowered.

Can't get this image out of my head. A minor substitution in wording and it fits...

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/for/lowres/forn538l.jpg

I'd made my mind up to just shut up about the problems I have with this game, and then I saw this:

- Big Heart has been updated to deactivate when you are with 7 points, to be more in the original spirit of the VA. This change will go into effect for sims in two days on day 10. Because of this, I've added the ability to reset just this VA if you have it and don't want it any more, up until day 10, one time. If you have it, the reset link will show up in the usual place.

I'm sorry, but is this a fucking joke? I mean, really, what the hell is the point of even making such a minor, dumb ass change? When I read that Big Heart was going to be changed, I thought cool. Bort will dial it down to just a 15% bump to all skills. Sure, it will still be over powered and reward failure, but at least at that lvl maybe games with players having the skill won't turn into an absolute complete joke....Again, I learn the same valuable lesson I have so many times before. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I mean, WTF?!?!?! Why even waste the time to make such a trivial change?!?!?!? This does just shy of absolutely nothing at all.

Originally posted by PP
I'd made my mind up to just shut up about the problems I have with this game, and then I saw this:

- Big Heart has been updated to deactivate when you are with 7 points, to be more in the original spirit of the VA. This change will go into effect for sims in two days on day 10. Because of this, I've added the ability to reset just this VA if you have it and don't want it any more, up until day 10, one time. If you have it, the reset link will show up in the usual place.

I'm sorry, but is this a fucking joke? I mean, really, what the hell is the point of even making such a minor, dumb ass change? When I read that Big Heart was going to be changed, I thought cool. Bort will dial it down to just a 15% bump to all skills. Sure, it will still be over powered and reward failure, but at least at that lvl maybe games with players having the skill won't turn into an absolute complete joke....Again, I learn the same valuable lesson I have so many times before. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I mean, WTF?!?!?! Why even waste the time to make such a trivial change?!?!?!? This does just shy of absolutely nothing at all.

Fwiw, assuming BH only works when down by 8+ now, it makes it so a team can never tie or score a go ahead TD due to the effects of big heart. That 4 point change is pretty significant imo, though I completely understand that its perhaps not what you were looking for.

Originally posted by PP
I'd made my mind up to just shut up about the problems I have with this game, and then I saw this:

- Big Heart has been updated to deactivate when you are with 7 points, to be more in the original spirit of the VA. This change will go into effect for sims in two days on day 10. Because of this, I've added the ability to reset just this VA if you have it and don't want it any more, up until day 10, one time. If you have it, the reset link will show up in the usual place.

I'm sorry, but is this a fucking joke? I mean, really, what the hell is the point of even making such a minor, dumb ass change? When I read that Big Heart was going to be changed, I thought cool. Bort will dial it down to just a 15% bump to all skills. Sure, it will still be over powered and reward failure, but at least at that lvl maybe games with players having the skill won't turn into an absolute complete joke....Again, I learn the same valuable lesson I have so many times before. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I mean, WTF?!?!?! Why even waste the time to make such a trivial change?!?!?!? This does just shy of absolutely nothing at all.

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Originally posted by PP
I'd made my mind up to just shut up about the problems I have with this game, and then I saw this:

- Big Heart has been updated to deactivate when you are with 7 points, to be more in the original spirit of the VA. This change will go into effect for sims in two days on day 10. Because of this, I've added the ability to reset just this VA if you have it and don't want it any more, up until day 10, one time. If you have it, the reset link will show up in the usual place.

I'm sorry, but is this a fucking joke? I mean, really, what the hell is the point of even making such a minor, dumb ass change? When I read that Big Heart was going to be changed, I thought cool. Bort will dial it down to just a 15% bump to all skills. Sure, it will still be over powered and reward failure, but at least at that lvl maybe games with players having the skill won't turn into an absolute complete joke....Again, I learn the same valuable lesson I have so many times before. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I mean, WTF?!?!?! Why even waste the time to make such a trivial change?!?!?!? This does just shy of absolutely nothing at all.

lol, this.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by PP

I'd made my mind up to just shut up about the problems I have with this game, and then I saw this:

- Big Heart has been updated to deactivate when you are with 7 points, to be more in the original spirit of the VA. This change will go into effect for sims in two days on day 10. Because of this, I've added the ability to reset just this VA if you have it and don't want it any more, up until day 10, one time. If you have it, the reset link will show up in the usual place.

I'm sorry, but is this a fucking joke? I mean, really, what the hell is the point of even making such a minor, dumb ass change? When I read that Big Heart was going to be changed, I thought cool. Bort will dial it down to just a 15% bump to all skills. Sure, it will still be over powered and reward failure, but at least at that lvl maybe games with players having the skill won't turn into an absolute complete joke....Again, I learn the same valuable lesson I have so many times before. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I mean, WTF?!?!?! Why even waste the time to make such a trivial change?!?!?!? This does just shy of absolutely nothing at all.

Fwiw, assuming BH only works when down by 8+ now, it makes it so a team can never tie or score a go ahead TD due to the effects of big heart. That 4 point change is pretty significant imo, though I completely understand that its perhaps not what you were looking for.

It's still a pretty ridiculous VA. That keeps severely outmatched teams within striking distance where anything can happen late in the 4th quarter.

Although, it's not quite as bad as it was prior to the change, where it might have actually been beneficial in some cases to drop down by 14 if the entire team had it, since after it activates and you catch up again the opposing team's morale is essentially trashed and you'd have a huge morale(momentum) advantage.

Also for the people who care about stats, I'm sure there are some out there. It kind of makes individual stats meaningless, since there's really no excuse for decent players with 15 in Big Heart playing on sub-par teams not to completely dominate their position's statistical categories.

I think that VAs is a good idea to differentiate builds. Every position should have 5-10 options that were thoroughly tested to have about the same benefit. It can't be that difficult to come up with a number of VAs for every position.

The way it is now, I will with no doubt vote to have them removed.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN


Fwiw, assuming BH only works when down by 8+ now, it makes it so a team can never tie or score a go ahead TD due to the effects of big heart. That 4 point change is pretty significant imo, though I completely understand that its perhaps not what you were looking for.

I completely understand what the difference is and the ramifications to the change. When I saw it, I was just EXTREMELY frustrated. As it is now, why not just make it so the sim never allows you to get up more that 7 on a team that is stacked with players with Big Heart? Is that really much different?

Originally posted by PP
I'd made my mind up to just shut up about the problems I have with this game, and then I saw this:

- Big Heart has been updated to deactivate when you are with 7 points, to be more in the original spirit of the VA. This change will go into effect for sims in two days on day 10. Because of this, I've added the ability to reset just this VA if you have it and don't want it any more, up until day 10, one time. If you have it, the reset link will show up in the usual place.

I'm sorry, but is this a fucking joke? I mean, really, what the hell is the point of even making such a minor, dumb ass change? When I read that Big Heart was going to be changed, I thought cool. Bort will dial it down to just a 15% bump to all skills. Sure, it will still be over powered and reward failure, but at least at that lvl maybe games with players having the skill won't turn into an absolute complete joke....Again, I learn the same valuable lesson I have so many times before. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. I mean, WTF?!?!?! Why even waste the time to make such a trivial change?!?!?!? This does just shy of absolutely nothing at all.

Again, I think Bort failed to realized what the root of the problem is. It's not that 7 point or 3 point that makes this VA so ridiculous, it's the 30%. If something this simple can't be fixed, how could I possibly believe that the overall VA can be modified into something good.

On a side note, if you reset VAs for some, reset for all.