Originally posted by Challenge Everything
This is rather amusing. You are accusing me of bringing no evidence. There has been no empirical evidence to suggest safeties need 100+ speed. All the guy did was show safeties who have a higher ranking in that new ranking system. Are you really going to put great amounts of stock in that ranking system? He has not shown any builds or anything either. So, where is his evidence?
I also find it amusing you looked at my Canadian Pro play. Why? Did you look at the team's record and how they fared in that first Pro year? We ended up getting lowered to the AAA league... which then we came in second place and were bumped back up. And, for the upteenth time, stats mean very little when comparing players. Finally, you say Samus was torched yet offered no plays to show. Samus was last torched in season 3 or 4 and that was against one of Flames' teams before speed was nerfed.
In summary, safeties do not need 110+ speed to be effective. And, the FS position definitely does not need to be the fastest player on the team. I have been one of the least condescending individuals in this forum especially compared to the quoted individual. But, believe what you would like. I hate it when misinformation is quoted as fact and there is plenty in this forum, mostly regarding speed.
I'm not sure why it's so amusing that I looked at your Canadian Pro play--every replay I posted was from season 8, not "season 3 or 4" . . . this was in response to your point that your safety did fine in CPL with 85 speed.
So I posted clips of your safety, in the last year he was in CPL (season 8, not 3 or 4), most emphatically not doing fine--in fact getting torched. You said that I offered no plays to show--what do you think those four links are? I didn't even have to look hard for them, I just picked touchdowns people scored against your team in season 8.
If your safety isn't getting torched in those replays, what does it mean to get torched? I'm not sure how much more conclusive evidence can be--I didn't reference your stats at all, I just showed that your low speed caused problems for you in CPL. Direct me to where in my post I referenced a single stat of your safeties.
I'm not defending his use of rankings--I agree with you that rankings mean very, very little. But my problem is where you say that thinking the FS must be the fastest defensive player is "untrue and rather ridiculous to believe . . . Keep building crap FSs though."
His implication was that his high-speed safeties were better than yours. Which may or may not be true, but from watching a couple of replays certainly seems to be the case--he could have made his point in a different way, but I would argue that his conclusion was correct.
Your statement was that FSs didn't need to be the fastest guy on the field, and you offered as an example your guy, with 85 speed in CPL. I then posted four replays from season 8, stating that I disagree. Use the third replay, for example--how can you honestly argue that 85 speed was adequate in that case?
I don't want to argue about the "condescension" thing . . . all that's going to lead to is name-calling. But I'm not sure that you've strengthened your case at all with your post--how is stats being useless even tangentially related to my point?
This is rather amusing. You are accusing me of bringing no evidence. There has been no empirical evidence to suggest safeties need 100+ speed. All the guy did was show safeties who have a higher ranking in that new ranking system. Are you really going to put great amounts of stock in that ranking system? He has not shown any builds or anything either. So, where is his evidence?
I also find it amusing you looked at my Canadian Pro play. Why? Did you look at the team's record and how they fared in that first Pro year? We ended up getting lowered to the AAA league... which then we came in second place and were bumped back up. And, for the upteenth time, stats mean very little when comparing players. Finally, you say Samus was torched yet offered no plays to show. Samus was last torched in season 3 or 4 and that was against one of Flames' teams before speed was nerfed.
In summary, safeties do not need 110+ speed to be effective. And, the FS position definitely does not need to be the fastest player on the team. I have been one of the least condescending individuals in this forum especially compared to the quoted individual. But, believe what you would like. I hate it when misinformation is quoted as fact and there is plenty in this forum, mostly regarding speed.
I'm not sure why it's so amusing that I looked at your Canadian Pro play--every replay I posted was from season 8, not "season 3 or 4" . . . this was in response to your point that your safety did fine in CPL with 85 speed.
So I posted clips of your safety, in the last year he was in CPL (season 8, not 3 or 4), most emphatically not doing fine--in fact getting torched. You said that I offered no plays to show--what do you think those four links are? I didn't even have to look hard for them, I just picked touchdowns people scored against your team in season 8.
If your safety isn't getting torched in those replays, what does it mean to get torched? I'm not sure how much more conclusive evidence can be--I didn't reference your stats at all, I just showed that your low speed caused problems for you in CPL. Direct me to where in my post I referenced a single stat of your safeties.
I'm not defending his use of rankings--I agree with you that rankings mean very, very little. But my problem is where you say that thinking the FS must be the fastest defensive player is "untrue and rather ridiculous to believe . . . Keep building crap FSs though."
His implication was that his high-speed safeties were better than yours. Which may or may not be true, but from watching a couple of replays certainly seems to be the case--he could have made his point in a different way, but I would argue that his conclusion was correct.
Your statement was that FSs didn't need to be the fastest guy on the field, and you offered as an example your guy, with 85 speed in CPL. I then posted four replays from season 8, stating that I disagree. Use the third replay, for example--how can you honestly argue that 85 speed was adequate in that case?
I don't want to argue about the "condescension" thing . . . all that's going to lead to is name-calling. But I'm not sure that you've strengthened your case at all with your post--how is stats being useless even tangentially related to my point?
