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Zickzack
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith
ZZ getting his panties in a bunch. Hereīs what I donīt get. If winning doesnīt matter enough to you to go with what works this season, why are you so upset about not winning? Schedule a scrimmage.

And why do you assume that I am upset about not winning (or that I am wearing any underwear I could get into a bunch, but that is a different matter). What I am upset about is that a game that coudl be fun to watch is spoiled by this boring unrealistic repetitiveness. I am upset about the fact that a game that should be about strategy and putting in some thought into game plans and builds comes down to who can abuse a certain aspect of the sim engine the most. Was that clear enough?

 
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith






There is no need for an excuse. A long time before I arrived in Stockholm, the Meatballs were known as a power running team. As FDC said, why should they change to something else just because the sim has, momentarily, shifted in their favor? Iīll tell you why not (and anyone who has been around this game should know this): because next season, the sim is going to shift completely away from what Stockholm does well (I honestly thought power backs were in for a nerf this season) and we would just be throwing away a chance to win now while staring a bleak future in the face. Instead, we just intensify what the team has always done because it works even better.

And Duckfan, you left the most telling part of that drive out:

6:02 4th & 4 OPP 40 Punt by Stumpy McShankum, 41.5 yds (touchback)



Yea we forced a punt but ya'll also ate up 6 minutes of the clock which you know is a huge deal.

I'm not calling ya'll cheesers, I'm just pointing out the BS that the sim is. Oh and pointing out that ya'll didn't abuse Mal last season lol.



Ask the WuJax about that.



My point was that ya'll didn't abuse him all season last year like FDC and JPriet tried to say you did. Last year he never saw 40 carries till the last two games.


Yes. Thatīs when we realised it was practically impossible to stop. Youīd have thought taht certain people responsible for how the sim orks would have caught on around about then, too, and perhaps done something about it. Guess itīs all our fault.


More excuses from the FDC suck up


Whatīs your excuse for only scoring 13 points?


Lets see top the fact you guys ran the ball 61 times so we weren't on the field as much and we unlike you didn't cheese fag
 
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Originally posted by Duckfan127
Blah blah FDC no matter how you try to spin this off your a cheeser and thats only way you guys could win


Seems to me your D played plenty well to win this game, holding the cheeser offense to 16 points.
 
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Originally posted by Duckfan127
Originally posted by Kevin Smith

Originally posted by Duckfan127


Originally posted by Kevin Smith



Originally posted by dabutracing007




Originally posted by Kevin Smith





Originally posted by dabutracing007






Originally posted by Kevin Smith







There is no need for an excuse. A long time before I arrived in Stockholm, the Meatballs were known as a power running team. As FDC said, why should they change to something else just because the sim has, momentarily, shifted in their favor? Iīll tell you why not (and anyone who has been around this game should know this): because next season, the sim is going to shift completely away from what Stockholm does well (I honestly thought power backs were in for a nerf this season) and we would just be throwing away a chance to win now while staring a bleak future in the face. Instead, we just intensify what the team has always done because it works even better.

And Duckfan, you left the most telling part of that drive out:

6:02 4th & 4 OPP 40 Punt by Stumpy McShankum, 41.5 yds (touchback)



Yea we forced a punt but ya'll also ate up 6 minutes of the clock which you know is a huge deal.

I'm not calling ya'll cheesers, I'm just pointing out the BS that the sim is. Oh and pointing out that ya'll didn't abuse Mal last season lol.



Ask the WuJax about that.



My point was that ya'll didn't abuse him all season last year like FDC and JPriet tried to say you did. Last year he never saw 40 carries till the last two games.


Yes. Thatīs when we realised it was practically impossible to stop. Youīd have thought taht certain people responsible for how the sim orks would have caught on around about then, too, and perhaps done something about it. Guess itīs all our fault.


More excuses from the FDC suck up


Whatīs your excuse for only scoring 13 points?


Lets see top the fact you guys ran the ball 61 times so we weren't on the field as much and we unlike you didn't cheese fag


Lol, so we ran the ball more than you guys had total plays, nice. But 54 plays isnīt enough for you to score more than 13 points?
 
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Originally posted by Zickzack

I am upset about the fact that a game that should be about strategy and putting in some thought into game plans and builds comes down to who can abuse a certain aspect of the sim engine the most. Was that clear enough?



You have no idea what you're talking about..
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Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by Kevin Smith

ZZ getting his panties in a bunch. Hereīs what I donīt get. If winning doesnīt matter enough to you to go with what works this season, why are you so upset about not winning? Schedule a scrimmage.

And why do you assume that I am upset about not winning (or that I am wearing any underwear I could get into a bunch, but that is a different matter). What I am upset about is that a game that coudl be fun to watch is spoiled by this boring unrealistic repetitiveness. I am upset about the fact that a game that should be about strategy and putting in some thought into game plans and builds comes down to who can abuse a certain aspect of the sim engine the most. Was that clear enough?



It was a thrilling, close game. Cheeseballs played some awesome defense and kept the ball away from a very good offense. Recommend waching it.
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by Duckfan127

Originally posted by Kevin Smith


Originally posted by Duckfan127



Originally posted by Kevin Smith




Originally posted by dabutracing007





Originally posted by Kevin Smith






Originally posted by dabutracing007







Originally posted by Kevin Smith








There is no need for an excuse. A long time before I arrived in Stockholm, the Meatballs were known as a power running team. As FDC said, why should they change to something else just because the sim has, momentarily, shifted in their favor? Iīll tell you why not (and anyone who has been around this game should know this): because next season, the sim is going to shift completely away from what Stockholm does well (I honestly thought power backs were in for a nerf this season) and we would just be throwing away a chance to win now while staring a bleak future in the face. Instead, we just intensify what the team has always done because it works even better.

And Duckfan, you left the most telling part of that drive out:

6:02 4th & 4 OPP 40 Punt by Stumpy McShankum, 41.5 yds (touchback)



Yea we forced a punt but ya'll also ate up 6 minutes of the clock which you know is a huge deal.

I'm not calling ya'll cheesers, I'm just pointing out the BS that the sim is. Oh and pointing out that ya'll didn't abuse Mal last season lol.



Ask the WuJax about that.



My point was that ya'll didn't abuse him all season last year like FDC and JPriet tried to say you did. Last year he never saw 40 carries till the last two games.


Yes. Thatīs when we realised it was practically impossible to stop. Youīd have thought taht certain people responsible for how the sim orks would have caught on around about then, too, and perhaps done something about it. Guess itīs all our fault.


More excuses from the FDC suck up


Whatīs your excuse for only scoring 13 points?


Lets see top the fact you guys ran the ball 61 times so we weren't on the field as much and we unlike you didn't cheese fag


Lol, so we ran the ball more than you guys had total plays, nice. But 54 plays isnīt enough for you to score more than 13 points?


Keep using your dochebag excuses to try to justiy your chessing and playing like fags
 
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Originally posted by Zickzack
A few things, some very vocal players from your own team have said that they felt that you guys were making use of the serious flaw in the current sim. They even went so far to state that they implored you to do it and that you "only" started to do it once the playoffs started. If you claim you didn't maybe you should inform the agents on your team about that so you guys are all on the same page.

Originally posted by Fat Daddy Cash


For this I can't really say anything. If people want to quit because they aren't winning then that's their issue.

And this statement proves that you get it as little as Arthur Riot or jprietman. People are not considering to qui because they are not winning. If they cared that much about winning they'd likely run the same stuff three of the final four teams are running. They consider quitting because it isn't fun to watch a game where some teams do the same stuff again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (Bored yet? See how it goes?), and no matter what you try to do there is no way you can stop it. It is just boring and no fun to watch.

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But I will be honest and say that those remarks are a huge punch in my face personally.

Well, good then, because that is what at least some people feel about teams abusing flaws in the sim. With all due appreciation for your past efforts, that still does not make up for essentially slapping a goood number of other teams in the face. The same FU you feel for some of us calling you out, well, that is the same FU we experience when we watch the stuff that some teams all around GLB are pulling in these playoffs.

Stockholm clearly are a very good team, as you already mentioned, which makes it even more sad that you stoop so low to go through with this cheese, as you could probably win it again without resorting to it. But if you are happy to do it, well, I guess you play First Person shooters with wall hacks as well, or move the pieces on a chess board while your opponent isn't looking, after all it's all about winning, right?

As for running Mal last season too, don't kid yourself, he had less than half the carries he had this season. But go ahead, make up the stuff as it fits your own perception of yourself, just don't expect everyone to take it quietly, as you so aptly put it.




Here I go again...

ZZ, if you aren't having fun, walk away. Period. But not having fun isn't because of us. If you have a problem with the sim, or a legal and fair play, then fine. But you called US out for doing something fair and legal. We didn't load some greasemonkey script that only we knew about which somehow gave us control of plays called as the game happened, we didn't magically gain access to our opponent's private forums... we didn't cheat.

I love being told how I don't 'get it'... are you kidding? I get it; in fact, I think we are being very understanding. You have a philosophical issue with using a play that is widely regarded as being broken and giving an unfair advantage to the offense using it. An unstoppable play. You think that if it's 2 teams using that play 95% of the time (the other 5 percent is reserved for kickoffs and FGs) that all of a sudden the game is no fun... but what was the fun before? This game is the RPG Football equivalent of Deal or no Deal. We pick our poison, and then we have NO control. We build our scripts and you build yours. Just because we don't AGREE with you doesn't mean anything.

We got beat 3 times this season (and I got my ass handed to me every game last season) but no one here bitched about it. I don't call out people for taking every legal advantage they have to win. THAT'S what's fun for me. You bring YOUR A game, I'll bring mine. That doesn't mean 'your A game except for your MOST A game', I want you to make EVERY effort to fucking win. If you DON'T use every advantage you can, then you aren't showing us any respect.

YOU don't get that there are 2 ways to look at this. You have decided that suddenly anyone who uses a power game must be doing something wrong. 'Oh, he ran 60 times, THAT'S not realistic!' we used the slam... so what? Season 8, Mal rushed for 41 and 48 plays in the last 2 playoff games. This season, he rushes 45 and 61. And we have been hearing how we're evil since BEFORE the 61 play game (which we only got because shit if we didn't have 80 offensive plays last game; as opposed to 54 in game 1 and 66/81 last season). But NOW we're evil? Does someone think that trying to make us feel bad for winning is good sportsmanship? You think YOU are suddenly a better person?

BTW: the 'become a tester' line was supposed to be sarcasm the first go-around. You are obviously to pissed to notice that, but sarcasm and the internet don't have a great relationship, anyway, so whatever.

YOU guys have come up with some weird arbitrary 'fairness' doctrine and expect everyone else to live up to it. It's stupid. I take it as a sign of disrespect if you don't do EVERYTHING legal in your power to beat us. If opponents are trying to set special terms outside the core rulebook, than WTF are we doing here? Where is the fun when we all hug, dance and get water ice after, and no one tries their best to win? This is competition; if you aren't trying to be as competitive as possible... then why are you bitching?
 
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Originally posted by Duckfan127
Originally posted by Kevin Smith

Originally posted by Duckfan127


Originally posted by Kevin Smith



Originally posted by Duckfan127




Originally posted by Kevin Smith





Originally posted by dabutracing007






Originally posted by Kevin Smith







Originally posted by dabutracing007








Originally posted by Kevin Smith









There is no need for an excuse. A long time before I arrived in Stockholm, the Meatballs were known as a power running team. As FDC said, why should they change to something else just because the sim has, momentarily, shifted in their favor? Iīll tell you why not (and anyone who has been around this game should know this): because next season, the sim is going to shift completely away from what Stockholm does well (I honestly thought power backs were in for a nerf this season) and we would just be throwing away a chance to win now while staring a bleak future in the face. Instead, we just intensify what the team has always done because it works even better.

And Duckfan, you left the most telling part of that drive out:

6:02 4th & 4 OPP 40 Punt by Stumpy McShankum, 41.5 yds (touchback)



Yea we forced a punt but ya'll also ate up 6 minutes of the clock which you know is a huge deal.

I'm not calling ya'll cheesers, I'm just pointing out the BS that the sim is. Oh and pointing out that ya'll didn't abuse Mal last season lol.



Ask the WuJax about that.



My point was that ya'll didn't abuse him all season last year like FDC and JPriet tried to say you did. Last year he never saw 40 carries till the last two games.


Yes. Thatīs when we realised it was practically impossible to stop. Youīd have thought taht certain people responsible for how the sim orks would have caught on around about then, too, and perhaps done something about it. Guess itīs all our fault.


More excuses from the FDC suck up


Whatīs your excuse for only scoring 13 points?


Lets see top the fact you guys ran the ball 61 times so we weren't on the field as much and we unlike you didn't cheese fag


Lol, so we ran the ball more than you guys had total plays, nice. But 54 plays isnīt enough for you to score more than 13 points?


Keep using your dochebag excuses to try to justiy your chessing and playing like fags


Whatīs your douchebag excuse for your offense sucking against us?
 
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Just out of pure curiosity, what is Mal's stamina at? I want to have an idea of how off-base the current calculations are regarding running back stamina.
 
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It might have escaped your notice, but people including myself have brought this up after round 1 of the playoffs. Aside from that, I hope you are very proud to come up with an "A game" on offense that any 5 year old could come up with this season. Enjoy your wall hacks in Counterstrike, enjoy your cheat codes when playing Playstation games, enjoy taking HGH when competing in real life sports, after all, that is what it takes, right?
 
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Originally posted by TheInfinity
Just out of pure curiosity, what is Mal's stamina at? I want to have an idea of how off-base the current calculations are regarding running back stamina.


 
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Originally posted by coreyls18
Originally posted by TheInfinity

Just out of pure curiosity, what is Mal's stamina at? I want to have an idea of how off-base the current calculations are regarding running back stamina.




4th cap.
 
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Originally posted by Zickzack
It might have escaped your notice, but people including myself have brought this up after round 1 of the playoffs. Aside from that, I hope you are very proud to come up with an "A game" on offense that any 5 year old could come up with this season. Enjoy your wall hacks in Counterstrike, enjoy your cheat codes when playing Playstation games, enjoy taking HGH when competing in real life sports, after all, that is what it takes, right?


Best of all is, of course, the forums afterwards.
 
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by Zickzack

It might have escaped your notice, but people including myself have brought this up after round 1 of the playoffs. Aside from that, I hope you are very proud to come up with an "A game" on offense that any 5 year old could come up with this season. Enjoy your wall hacks in Counterstrike, enjoy your cheat codes when playing Playstation games, enjoy taking HGH when competing in real life sports, after all, that is what it takes, right?


Best of all is, of course, the forums afterwards.


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