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Originally posted by Luzod
Originally posted by Tim Harper

Originally posted by Luzod


I pretty much know the 3 things that actually make a good power HB. Anyway, if you need some infos, pm me.

I pioneered the powerback in GLB, I don't need any info man. If you would of saw what they did in Alpha testing, it would make what we see today a shame.

Hmmm, well, a lot of things change from season to season, everyone may miss something, so even I'd ask for your info if you offered them. I was just trying to be nice with you

How dare you insult a pioneer with your frivolous knowledge.

Originally posted by McGrai37
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

Not to mention you are notorious for always bragging about your fast LB. Let me ask you....how much Strength/Tackling does Tim Harper have? Because if you tell me something like 60/60 or even 70/70 then it's ridiculous to think you're going to stop him. It's people like you who ruin the game asking for nerfs when your build isn't built to stop another type of build. Instead of improving your build, you ask Bort for help.

The problem is there's just not enough SPs to go around. If you build a LB to stop a powerback, you'll get scorched by speed HBs and TEs. If you build a LB to stop speed HBs and TEs, powerbacks will run all over you. My LB is one of the old school "speed/agility" LBs, and I don't mind him missing tackles against elite powerbacks (except for backfield tackles, missing those is bs imo). But, when he does the HB shouldn't be able to immediately run over another LB.

McGrai, I wouldn't waste your breath with sound logical talk. People have proven over and over they don't understand such things. Halfbacks take much less skill points over the course of fewer attributes to be productive. But Linebackers take much more skill points over more attributes to get the same effect. Your right though, only so much to go around. People just don't see the big picture before they talk.

Shame it is.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
I agree it is crazy for him to be effective after so many carries. But to the overpowered comment...Larry averaged 5 yards against you guys. Not too crazy considering past seasons.

Not to mention you are notorious for always bragging about your fast LB. Let me ask you....how much Strength/Tackling does Tim Harper have? Because if you tell me something like 60/60 or even 70/70 then it's ridiculous to think you're going to stop him. It's people like you who ruin the game asking for nerfs when your build isn't built to stop another type of build. Instead of improving your build, you ask Bort for help.



I think you are wrong there lol

Originally posted by Luzod
Originally posted by Tim Harper

Originally posted by Luzod


I pretty much know the 3 things that actually make a good power HB. Anyway, if you need some infos, pm me.

I pioneered the powerback in GLB, I don't need any info man. If you would of saw what they did in Alpha testing, it would make what we see today a shame.

Hmmm, well, a lot of things change from season to season, everyone may miss something, so even I'd ask for your info if you offered them. I was just trying to be nice with you

The game mechanics are pretty much the same man from then. Attributes, SA's and such haven't changed. Just the balance of them and how they counteract with other builds have. The whole pioneered part was a joke, there were quite a few powerbacks in testing then, mind just happen to get lucky and figure it out first. Either way, there is only so many attributes, so it isn't very hard to build a player that does well, especially at halfback.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Yeah my take on it is they need to meet somewhere in the middle. Because I'm sick of Bort just letting players off the hook by using nerfs. At the same time I get where you're coming from. LBs need speed/agility/strength/tackling/vision/stamina/confidence. Power backs just need pretty much strength, speed, and carrying.

I like where he's going with the balance adjustment. Power HBs will still be able to break initial tackles, but will have a harder time breaking follow ups or breaking away from the pack afterwards.

My LB shits on all of your LBs tbh

Originally posted by McGrai37
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

Yeah my take on it is they need to meet somewhere in the middle. Because I'm sick of Bort just letting players off the hook by using nerfs. At the same time I get where you're coming from. LBs need speed/agility/strength/tackling/vision/stamina/confidence. Power backs just need pretty much strength, speed, and carrying.

I like where he's going with the balance adjustment. Power HBs will still be able to break initial tackles, but will have a harder time breaking follow ups or breaking away from the pack afterwards.

I actually had a suggestion yesterday before Bort announced that to change the "balance" equation to make Power backs require more agility to stay balanced. That way they'd have to invest in other things besides speed/strength/carrying.

Originally posted by Tim Harper
Originally posted by McGrai37

Originally posted by Sik Wit It


Not to mention you are notorious for always bragging about your fast LB. Let me ask you....how much Strength/Tackling does Tim Harper have? Because if you tell me something like 60/60 or even 70/70 then it's ridiculous to think you're going to stop him. It's people like you who ruin the game asking for nerfs when your build isn't built to stop another type of build. Instead of improving your build, you ask Bort for help.

The problem is there's just not enough SPs to go around. If you build a LB to stop a powerback, you'll get scorched by speed HBs and TEs. If you build a LB to stop speed HBs and TEs, powerbacks will run all over you. My LB is one of the old school "speed/agility" LBs, and I don't mind him missing tackles against elite powerbacks (except for backfield tackles, missing those is bs imo). But, when he does the HB shouldn't be able to immediately run over another LB.

McGrai, I wouldn't waste your breath with sound logical talk. People have proven over and over they don't understand such things. Halfbacks take much less skill points over the course of fewer attributes to be productive. But Linebackers take much more skill points over more attributes to get the same effect. Your right though, only so much to go around. People just don't see the big picture before they talk.

Shame it is.

Yeah especially when you're spending like 4 or 5 SP an attribute point to get speed to the 6:1 cap or whatever the hell it is you did to your build. Anyways I do think certain game mechanics need tweaking like the way gang tackling works. These would effect power backs but aren't necessarily a nerf.

You know... the problem with this 'realism' thing is that... real world... you'll certainly see ppl with '100/80 on every attribute' and in glb you can only max one or two. In glb, you'll see a lot more of offensive potential than defensive, unlessyou make it harder for offensive players to go against defensive ones (such as HB vs LB). You can't compare the strength an HB can get with the strength a LB can get. 'Pure strength' LBs = suck... 'pure strength HBs = pwnage'.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Yeah especially when you're spending like 4 or 5 SP an attribute point to get speed to the 6:1 cap or whatever the hell it is you did to your build. Anyways I do think certain game mechanics need tweaking like the way gang tackling works. These would effect power backs but aren't necessarily a nerf.

Misinformation at it's best. He is a season one player, his speed isn't that high man.

Still haven't answered the Strength/Tackling question.

I understand if you don't want to give exact numbers with all the competition around, but how about both combined? Over 120? Over 140?

BTW I'm not trying to pick on your or anything...I'm seriously curious to see whether or not you have high tackling/strength. I'm not sure if this is a legitimate gripe or not without numbers.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
BTW I'm not trying to pick on your or anything...I'm seriously curious to see whether or not you have high tackling/strength. I'm not sure if this is a legitimate gripe or not without numbers.

I am at about 70ish strength and 60ish tackling at the moment.

When speed/agility aren't factored much into the tackling equation, it makes point of impact a bitch when facing a powerback. Especially when I am colliding at them at a higher rate of speed then they are hitting me. Some of the things that need to be tweaked eventually, but as of now not so much in the game as they should me.

Originally posted by Tim Harper
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

BTW I'm not trying to pick on your or anything...I'm seriously curious to see whether or not you have high tackling/strength. I'm not sure if this is a legitimate gripe or not without numbers.

I am at about 70ish strength and 60ish tackling at the moment.

When speed/agility aren't factored much into the tackling equation, it makes point of impact a bitch when facing a powerback. Especially when I am colliding at them at a higher rate of speed then they are hitting me. Some of the things that need to be tweaked eventually, but as of now not so much in the game as they should me.

See, I think those are about average numbers when it comes to most defenders. In that case, I would argue a power back should break a 1 on 1 tackle with you like 60% of the time. You are simply not strong enough to bring him down. Buuuuut the problem with GLB right now is gang tackling doesn't work the way it should. While your build may not be sufficient to make a 1 on 1 tackle all of the time, it should be good enough to at least slow him down. But the way gang tackling works in this makes no sense at all. Bort said something about a change, but it's so hard to find out what's really going on with the sim nowadays. Supposedly he made it so when off-balance, HBs slow down significantly. It was supposed to be live for today, but I've heard that it's also not live.

It's so hard to get a straight answer about anything around here now.

I think you're a liar. Your LB does not have 70ish strength and 60ish tackling.