Warrior General Games

Well, the West is certainly louder in the forums and has interesting weekly rankings. The more the teams are talked about, the more peoples' respect for them grows. There are a lot of upsets and there's a lot of depth in the East, but folks in the West don't know or care because nobody's on here talking it up.

What seed were the Bullets in the East last season when they won the title? The East clearly has depth amongst playoff teams.

If you pitted the East, 1-8, matched up against the West, 1-8, IN ORDER (which week one games do NOT do), I don't know who would win. I don't think one conference should be favored by much if at all, and if you ran those sims 100 times I suspect the results would come out pretty close to even.

Mat. I made a mistake in my first vote. The second is the one that is correct.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
it's pretty clear that the West is the tougher conference.

Not trying to sound like an ass, but I believe that historically my ability to scout and judge other teams' talent is what won GB titles and kept us going to the POs up here against higher lvled and better built teams. It's something I have been forced to work hard at, since my teams were historically under talented (and I don't believe any of the teams we've played from ssn 2-6 would argue with me about not having much for stud talent...Very working class like, under lvled players with mostly vanilla builds). Funny, that statement just doesn't seem clear to me at all. As a matter of fact, I kept arguing back and forth in my own mind at which was better when I turned in my rankings. I ended up believing that they were too close to call, and I mean the bottom end teams, also. The only team that just can't cut it in their current state is the Mudcats.

Originally posted by Doomsday
Mat. I made a mistake in my first vote. The second is the one that is correct.

Got it.

Originally posted by PP

All this loleast, lolwest stuff is great for trying to spark the forums (though, I must admit, it has been done so often that the spark is woefully lacking, IMO).


I beg to differ. I used it enough last season and got multiple responses every time. It is to the point where I just enjoy seeing the reactions when it is said rather than actually believing it.

Originally posted by Galkuris
Originally posted by PP


All this loleast, lolwest stuff is great for trying to spark the forums (though, I must admit, it has been done so often that the spark is woefully lacking, IMO).


I beg to differ. I used it enough last season and got multiple responses every time. It is to the point where I just enjoy seeing the reactions when it is said rather than actually believing it.



Isn't that called trolling?



Oh sorry, you're a mod, so it can't possibly be that. I must be mistaken in my definition of the word...

Originally posted by HaplosDog
Originally posted by Galkuris

Originally posted by PP



All this loleast, lolwest stuff is great for trying to spark the forums (though, I must admit, it has been done so often that the spark is woefully lacking, IMO).


I beg to differ. I used it enough last season and got multiple responses every time. It is to the point where I just enjoy seeing the reactions when it is said rather than actually believing it.



Isn't that called trolling?



Oh sorry, you're a mod, so it can't possibly be that. I must be mistaken in my definition of the word...

Not really in the context I do it in.

Originally posted by PP
When everything is said and done, all that matters are the PO teams.

I can't agree with this tbh... not in this league. An awful lot of teams work hard to rise to this level and survive here, even if they don't make the playoffs. Dismissing half the league is pretty disrespectful to those who put in good games but lose to other good teams.

The West has 16 very good teams. The East has 15. Not saying that the East #3 or #7 or #12 team is any worse than the West #3 or #7 or #12... but cupcakes don't contribute to overall strength. An entire team makes a pretty significant difference imo.

lol @ Drago (or whoever signed in as him) voting for Compton

Originally posted by Painmaker
Originally posted by PP

When everything is said and done, all that matters are the PO teams.

I can't agree with this tbh... not in this league. An awful lot of teams work hard to rise to this level and survive here, even if they don't make the playoffs. Dismissing half the league is pretty disrespectful to those who put in good games but lose to other good teams.


I can understand how it came off that way, but that was not how I intended it in any way, shape or forum. I've got a tremendous respect for any team that has scratched and clawed their way up here. Anyone that's been around here for a ssn or more realizes that. However, I completely fail to see how one team struggling to field a roster makes a difference. I'd say the same if that team was in the West. I'm not saying that the bottom 8 don't count. Hell, as I wrote many times last ssn, most of them could beat any team up here on a given day. This is the best of the best, period and some damn good teams aren't going to make the POs this ssn. It's very possible that we may be one of them.

Here is the way I look at it. If we were going to do a challenge against another conference, which would you say was better? One that was solid, yet average from 1-16 or one where the top 8 were world beaters, but the bottom 8 were all CPUs. Either the East or West would absolutely throttle the "average" conference, most likely getting 15 or 16 Ws, but would likely lose considerable more, maybe even 8, against the conference that was stacked on top. So, wouldn't a person say the top heavy conference was better? That's how I was looking at it, in a very general sense. Luckily, here, both conference are both stacked and deep as hell.

Originally posted by jearly
lol @ Drago (or whoever signed in as him) voting for Compton

Shhh...

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
East playoff teams are better than the West, but the overall West is better than the East. I don't see the West champion beating the East champion.

The West has the better scouting script for sure.

Originally posted by sckbleh
Well, the West is certainly louder in the forums and has interesting weekly rankings. The more the teams are talked about, the more peoples' respect for them grows. There are a lot of upsets and there's a lot of depth in the East, but folks in the West don't know or care because nobody's on here talking it up.

What seed were the Bullets in the East last season when they won the title? The East clearly has depth amongst playoff teams.

If you pitted the East, 1-8, matched up against the West, 1-8, IN ORDER (which week one games do NOT do), I don't know who would win. I don't think one conference should be favored by much if at all, and if you ran those sims 100 times I suspect the results would come out pretty close to even.



They're pretty even but you do know both MM and WB were 4 seeds so they both showed depth among playoff team. That said, the Bucks who are the #16 team are MUCH better than the Madcats which imo gives the West a slight edge. When it comes to the League Champs, the East seems to do a great job of winning that but the past is the past...we'll have to wait and see what happens this season.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by sckbleh

Well, the West is certainly louder in the forums and has interesting weekly rankings. The more the teams are talked about, the more peoples' respect for them grows. There are a lot of upsets and there's a lot of depth in the East, but folks in the West don't know or care because nobody's on here talking it up.

What seed were the Bullets in the East last season when they won the title? The East clearly has depth amongst playoff teams.

If you pitted the East, 1-8, matched up against the West, 1-8, IN ORDER (which week one games do NOT do), I don't know who would win. I don't think one conference should be favored by much if at all, and if you ran those sims 100 times I suspect the results would come out pretty close to even.



They're pretty even but you do know both MM and WB were 4 seeds so they both showed depth among playoff team. That said, the Bucks who are the #16 team are MUCH better than the Madcats which imo gives the West a slight edge. When it comes to the League Champs, the East seems to do a great job of winning that but the past is the past...we'll have to wait and see what happens this season.

I have a hard time responding to the 'our 16th team is better than your 16th team' argument respectfully. If you really feel the conferences are equal otherwise and that's the 'big' difference, well, it isn't much of a difference to me. The Bucks organization is a classy one but you can't tell me that gameplanning for them is a major task for playoff teams.

It's just not a significant enough difference to qualify as a reason one conference is better than another.

It's been interesting seeing the East teams in more detail this season since my player switched conferences. Honestly I see fewer 'gimme' games on the Maulers schedule than I saw for the Fire last season, even though most of the Fire didn't allocate SP or VP until halfway through the season. I realize that the West is a tougher conference this season than it was last, but still...