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Originally posted by Viscount
Well I'm just baseing this on what I've seen of some players I've spoken to with Pro League CBs with high catching and from what I've seen of my own CB with decent catching who has so far deflected or intercepted 82% of his passes, although admittedly he has had some easy games so far so I'm waiting to see how he performs over the entire season.

Also, if you watch the Test Server games you'll see a lot of defensive backs with 48+ catching and/or high Sticky Hands getting lots of PDs and a few INTs.

I agree that catching could go into the equation for pds, but we don't know for certain, so I don't think putting it above two attributes that we do know help a cb a lot is a good idea.

The problem with using the test server (or having 60 catching) is that it doesn't account for the skills you will be lacking due to putting points into catching. Most of the test server players have amazing base states in addition to their high catching. Assuming the average catching for a cb is 35, where are you getting the extra 39 or so sps from to get catching to 60+?

Originally posted by Viscount
Seriously just use some logic. As someone who's played CB in real life I wonder how exactly does jumping make me that more adept at deflecting passes?

I, too, play CB in real life.
I agree catching plays an important role for CBs, but I don't think it's more important than jumping in overall, maybe equal to jumping. When is catching is needed? When you are in position, can get your hands to the ball, and is interceptable. When is jumping needed? When you need to reach a lob pass or dive to reach a ball in distance (technically, an out of reach ball, if you're in position to jump), dive-tackle, and stuff.
I'd say jumping plays a bigger role, and I don't really think catching helps deflecting itself. I think it increases the chance of catching the ball when you can deflect it (on the first roll, and catching is also totally needed on the last roll)

Also, GLB is not real life.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Originally posted by Viscount

Well I'm just baseing this on what I've seen of some players I've spoken to with Pro League CBs with high catching and from what I've seen of my own CB with decent catching who has so far deflected or intercepted 82% of his passes, although admittedly he has had some easy games so far so I'm waiting to see how he performs over the entire season.

Also, if you watch the Test Server games you'll see a lot of defensive backs with 48+ catching and/or high Sticky Hands getting lots of PDs and a few INTs.

I agree that catching could go into the equation for pds, but we don't know for certain, so I don't think putting it above two attributes that we do know help a cb a lot is a good idea.

The problem with using the test server (or having 60 catching) is that it doesn't account for the skills you will be lacking due to putting points into catching. Most of the test server players have amazing base states in addition to their high catching. Assuming the average catching for a cb is 35, where are you getting the extra 39 or so sps from to get catching to 60+?

Well if you slow build a player well and you're willing to sacrifice in some areas such as strength or tackling, getting catching high is quite feasible. Take my level 32 FS for example, he has 90+ speed, 60+ agility and vision and 55 catching. Unfortunately he's generally a backup so he doesn't have that many opportunities for PDs and INTs, but he can make plays like this:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=368468&pbp_id=14102394

In regards to the Test Server check out this game: http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=294

The DBs on both teams played very well but most notably Millwall's CBs who were covering WRs with 100 speed, 60 agility, 60 jumping and and 60 catching.

All the CBs on both teams had 70+ speed, 60+ agility, 55+ vision, 48 jumping and 40 catching. All except CB3 Mike on Millwall who had 48 catching and also played the best out of all the CBs getting 18 PDs and 2 INTs.

Originally posted by Viscount


Seriously just use some logic. As someone who's played CB in real life I wonder how exactly does jumping make me that more adept at deflecting passes?


In GLB... i think Jump>>> Catching.. never seen amazing results from 2-1 capping it and havent seen many builds with it 60 capped... real life though JUMP>>>>>>Catching i play CB, i lost 2 jump balls last year in the endzone to a reciever 7 inches taller then me.....where he just plain out jumped me and if i could jump higher i could have made a better play on the ball

Screw Jumping and Catching.. we should just roll with blocking, I hear that gives us the skills to push off for sweet unnoticed pass interference skills.

The day bort adds CB press, i retire my CB, and make new one build like a OT I'm sure it'll be coded so bad that I'll pancake every WR.

Originally posted by pimp of ubeness
Originally posted by Viscount

Seriously just use some logic. As someone who's played CB in real life I wonder how exactly does jumping make me that more adept at deflecting passes?

In GLB... i think Jump>>> Catching.. never seen amazing results from 2-1 capping it and havent seen many builds with it 60 capped... real life though JUMP>>>>>>Catching i play CB, i lost 2 jump balls last year in the endzone to a reciever 7 inches taller then me.....where he just plain out jumped me and if i could jump higher i could have made a better play on the ball

You're totally missing my points, I'm not saying jumping is useless.

If you were able to jump as high as the WR what affects who gets their hands on the ball then, whether it's deflected, intercepted or caught? Catching in my opinion.

There's the simple fact that not every pass requires you to jump to get your hands on it.

Did anybody actually look at the game I posted?

Originally posted by Viscount

In regards to the Test Server check out this game: http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=294

The DBs on both teams played very well but most notably Millwall's CBs who were covering WRs with 100 speed, 60 agility, 60 jumping and and 60 catching.

All the CBs on both teams had 70+ speed, 60+ agility, 55+ vision, 48 jumping and 40 catching. All except CB3 Mike on Millwall who had 48 catching and also played the best out of all the CBs getting 18 PDs and 2 INTs.

The CB with the highest catching but the same jumping as everyone else got by far the most PDs and INTs.

jumping isnt just vertical tho ...

eg. jumping helps in making a diving tackle from further away .... its not a vertical increase in that case

so jumping in actuality would help a CB get to a PD on a pass that is further away either vertical or horizontal

your example has a CB with the same jumping and MORE catching ... how about a CB that has LESS jumping and MORE catching?

would they be as successful?

Well I can't give examples of a CB with less jumping and more catching because it hasn't been tested. Once again, I'm not saying jumping is useless just that at a point catching is better. Speed > agility but it doesn't mean that you should ignore agility.

That CB I posted (CB3 Mike) who had the same jumping but higher catching than the rest of the CBs on the team dominates EVERY SINGLE GAME he plays in, see for yourself:

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=303
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=293
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=294
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=305
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=302
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=306
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=309

I've allowed my first pass of the season and my catching isnt soft capped... Looks like I missed out pretty bad on the PD as I was all over him tho.

catching isnt better tho b.c jumping is what lets ur player get his hands on the ball to begin with ...

without it the catching would go to waste ... remember the QB throws the ball to the WR, not the cb and a QB's pass quality hurts a Cb's chance to get the INT ...

if your examples were of players with low jumping and high catching vs. high jumping and low catching then i would agree

for a CB

jumping > catching
agility > speed

... speed is the MOST overrated attribute for cb's

If it was jumping that gets your hands on the ball in the first place the other CBs in those games I posted would have as many PDs as the CB I mentioned as they all have the same jumping! He's getting 10+ PDs a game covering 100 speed WRs with 60 jumping.

It's fine if you disagree with me, you're entitled to your own opinion but the evidence is there.

I'm assuming your CB has reasonable jumping and low catching? Well I don't know if you knoww this but so far this season your CB has only deflected 40% of the passes to the WR he was covering.

I lost all respect for granted when he said agility is more important than speed. Bahahahaha being different gets you shunned! Go speed!

Originally posted by mmuhr
I lost all respect for granted when he said agility is more important than speed. Bahahahaha being different gets you shunned! Go speed!

i will rephrase that speed = agility