Warrior General Games

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by cptafw163

I thought vision makes your player more intelligent to see the next player and engage from further away?

read it carefully.

So blocking will help my HB see the defenders better? damn i have been fooled all along.

comprehend what it says, and please stop. COMPREHEND MAN.

Originally posted by cptafw163

My FB had 119 panckakes one season becaus of strength, his blocking "sucks" but am building him to panckake the first guy he touches, then see the other defender and get in front of him quickly.


And the next season he had one third of that. That's 33 pancakes in 490 plays. The problem is when you *don't* pancake a defender, then you're just standing there with no way to stop him from making the tackle. Which is what would happen on most plays.

Against good teams you don't get all that many pancakes, but you're instead up against LBs with 60 str/80 agi/5+ Shed Block; you need good blocking/lead block to be able to hold them off and/or push them back. 48 blocking just won't cut it. My latest FB (My 4th) will be looking to keep blocking and strength roughly equal.

Also worth considering is pass blocking; that's an area where blocking > strength. Obviously depends on your offensive schemes whether that's needed, but if your FB is used to block a lot there, you want high blocking.

^^ yeah, that was when hios strength was BY FAR higher than all of the LBs in that league. Then once LBs started to get stronger, and i focused on other attributes (strength had cost 4 points each) the LBs caught up. Also, it is a horrible team and we were always losing, so we passed a whole lot to try to catch up. The team I was on before that was a running team and thats why there were more pancakes. The other FB from that team had 97 pancakes in an AA league and he has roughly the same build. That team was a league champ team, not a gutted rebuild team.

My theory now is that if i switch my equip to strength and use SP for my other attributes, he will go back to knocking guys around.

And i don't think that you need to build a FB like an O-lineman and have 80 blocking.

As for pass blocking. i notice that on 99% of the plays, the FB just double teams a guyu that the O-lineman has already covered. and 50% of the time that happens, the FB does not see the LB coming in for the blitz. Basically the double team makes the D-lineman move back, creating a largetr hole for the LB to go thru and sack the QB.

so i would say that vision is better than blocking for a FB...so he can see that LB coming in to sack the QB. Thats what a Fb is supposed to be for...getting the LBs, not double teaming a DT. And GLB does not path FBs to "chip" the DEs (pathing is up the middle).

I am not saying blocking is uniportant, i am just saying there are better attributes to add points to before you start jitting blocking. I am waiting on blocking until my vision is double capped, then i will cap blocking.

--Dan

Originally posted by cptafw163

As for pass blocking. i notice that on 99% of the plays, the FB just double teams a guyu that the O-lineman has already covered. and 50% of the time that happens, the FB does not see the LB coming in for the blitz. Basically the double team makes the D-lineman move back, creating a largetr hole for the LB to go thru and sack the QB.

so i would say that vision is better than blocking for a FB...so he can see that LB coming in to sack the QB. Thats what a Fb is supposed to be for...getting the LBs, not double teaming a DT. And GLB does not path FBs to "chip" the DEs (pathing is up the middle).

Why is it an "or"? Most blitzing linebackers have agility well over 70, some into the 90s. If you could see them, do you really think your 50 blocking would hold them long?

Originally posted by pottsman


Why is it an "or"? Most blitzing linebackers have agility well over 70, some into the 90s. If you could see them, do you really think your 50 blocking would hold them long?


Yes,

Because I have 66 agility. And LBs that have agility to the 70s or 80s (have yet to see that in an the AA league my level 29 FB is in), I will have that relatively matched...and my 85 strength will have me hold them long enough...IT THE FB CAN SEE HIM AND GET TO HIM.

I did an experiment with my OT,(named experimantal build) and I capped blocking AFTER I second capped strength, and second capped agility. Then i capped blocking twice.

My OT has only given up 2 sacks in his career, and that was because he was asleep during the snap both times (VISION).

So yeah, blocking is useless. Agility and strength makes up for that. i did the experiment to prove it. Just look at the gamefilm and see what you can find about my FB in pass protection last season.

--Dan

P.S. I only have 30 blocking not 50

Oh yeah, lathund. How many level 23 players did you have playing in an AA 40+ cap league? I think 33 pancakes is darn good for that league and considering that I was on a 2 win team.

--dan

Strength-Agility-Blocking-Vision

Originally posted by cptafw163
Oh yeah, lathund. How many level 23 players did you have playing in an AA 40+ cap league? I think 33 pancakes is darn good for that league and considering that I was on a 2 win team.

--dan

It is it's hard to argue an impressive figure for the situation. The point Lathund I believe is trying to make, and i'll leave it to him to clarify if i'm off a little, is that it's still a limited thing to pancake less than about 30% of plays, and unless you are pancaking people that often (1 per every 2 run plays, give or take), there are going to be a lot of times when a pure strength build blocker will fail in their duty to keep the RB covered, compared to what a more rounded build can offer.

It largely depends on your valuation of pancakes, and your expectations of a FBs duties as to what build you favour, and is a matter of opinion as to which is better, but it is hard to argue that going solely with one or the other adds holes to a build (all strength limits your pass block and tends to let defenders slide off blocks, all blocking would lead to reverse pancakes and limited second level blocking).

If you want second level blocking and a stat, go strength primarily with solid blocking. If you want the FB to completely take 1 guy out of the play as part of a team blocking system, go primarily blocking with solid strength. Quite simply, pick your poison.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=370185&pbp_id=14602865

there is no way a F.B. with high str. could ever do this. EVER, period, no way in hell. He passed the M.L.B because he was engaged. A F.B. with high str. tries to help pancake that M.L.B first. The fullback with high blocking looks for his next assignment, The S.S. he caught him from behind and let my H.B.scamper in with ease.

How much blocking is high blocking?
Thanks.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=370185&pbp_id=14602865

there is no way a F.B. with high str. could ever do this. EVER, period, no way in hell. He passed the M.L.B because he was engaged. A F.B. with high str. tries to help pancake that M.L.B first. The fullback with high blocking looks for his next assignment, The S.S. he caught him from behind and let my H.B.scamper in with ease.



How many times are you gonna post that one play. The link doesn't work too... And blocking does not help a FB make a decision to block someone else. Not only your FB has done something like that. My level 45 with 45 blocking does that a lot as well.

PLUS, I stated in season 4, that the STR I OT play was the only play where the FB blocking is pathed right. Find a I form play where he does that. Wait, i will find about 6 plays from that game where he only blocks one guy.

--Dan

Ok, here is where his FB is blocking the MLB, then leaves the MLB to block the RLB. Then that frees up the MLB to tackle the HB.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=370185&pbp_id=14601497

You probably cost the HB about another 5 yards. If you had pancaked him....

It's not the same play
and it's working fine.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=366205&pbp_id=13933144 first play.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=370185&pbp_id=14602865 other play.

Originally posted by cptafw163
Ok, here is where his FB is blocking the MLB, then leaves the MLB to block the RLB. Then that frees up the MLB to tackle the HB.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=370185&pbp_id=14601497

You probably cost the HB about another 5 yards. If you had pancaked him....

You think with 3 guys there 1 pancake would have helped anything, on that play?

You have your opinions. I have mine.

Bottom line is the truth is, blocking is more important for a fb. After running behind high str f.b.s for a while I find this guy with high blocking is a lot better.