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Originally posted by Granted86
anything to prove stregth makes a cb BETTER at defending the pass in GLB? im really interested how this would help ... since there is no bump and run ... can u explain ? and provide an example from glb to back it? or is it all speculation?


nah no reason to prove anything to you. you're right on track with confidence. I think you'll be a confidence pioneer. since hardly any corner in this game cares about confidence.
also if you have no idea how str works in pass deflections, int's, defending the pass, ect..ect... then try to figure it out.

It's obvious to me you are the best corner to ever play the game. you're right and I am wrong. Congrats.

I think speed and agility seem to be the most important attributes to have as a CB. My CB had 94 speed, 64 Agility and 58 vision. He does OK, around 50+ PD's a season. Another CB on my team has less vision, about the same speed and a 70+ in agility and he is leading the league in PD's so I think agility is the determining attribute.

IMO jumping, catching, and agility helps the most in interceptions.. Jumping is more important than catching overall because of PD. Jumping also helps in making tackles and gets you higher in the air to make the int. Vision will help you not get faked and confidence helps you make a 2nd or 3rd pick after you get your first one or get a hot streak in PD.

Strength is cool.

Originally posted by UnderDogs


nah no reason to prove anything to you. you're right on track with confidence. I think you'll be a confidence pioneer. since hardly any corner in this game cares about confidence.




am i really the only cb owner that cares about confidece? ... dont think i am ... but ...

FACT ... Jamaal Grant: 79 career games - 339/360 tackles, 276 PD's and 27 INT's

all with catching and strength both under 30 and confidence over 40 ... i gota be doing something right

Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by UnderDogs



nah no reason to prove anything to you. you're right on track with confidence. I think you'll be a confidence pioneer. since hardly any corner in this game cares about confidence.




am i really the only cb owner that cares about confidece? ... dont think i am ... but ...

FACT ... Jamaal Grant: 79 career games - 339/360 tackles, 276 PD's and 27 INT's

all with catching and strength both under 30 and confidence over 40 ... i gota be doing something right


Well looking back over your career i see most of your int's, tackles, and p.d.'s come in blowouts.and looking at the 12 int's you got in season 5 only 1 comes in a game that was somewhat close. you got 4, and 3 in 255-0 games. I wouldn't brag too much about stats. To this point, your stats have been less about your build. And more about who you have been playing.

umm, name one player on the defensive side of the ball that doesnt have blown out stats due to cupcakes?

i dont even know what you're arguing about here underdogs? you seem to be very defensive over a difference of opinions, relax.
anyway, on topic; i would say 60-65 vision and 8 SV would be enough for most CB's (i personally have more i didnt see much improvement.)
confidence imo is more important than both catching and strength for a CB who cares more for not getting beat.

Originally posted by saintedix
Alright, so I was wondering if there was anyone who has seen success at all with having high vision as a CB. I'm very skeptical as to the usefulness of vision, and especially the Super Vision SA. Has anyone seen results of having good vision coupled with this SA?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=631143

That's my CB. He has over 85 vision (including EQ and VA) and 8-10 in Super Vision (varies depending on EQ set). You would think that this would yield some sort of positive result, but in fact I can't notice the difference between him and any other CB when watching the replays. He doesn't read routes well (or any better than otehr CBs with 50 vision), doesn't jump INTs, and doesn't read run/pass. Basically, I don't see any distinct difference in his style of play from my other CBs who have 50 vision and 3-4 in Super Vision. And not to mention 0 INTs with only 8 PD.

NOTE: Before people post that you have to have other stats than just vision, I will note that the same CB has 80 speed and 64 agility, plenty enough to play good coverage IMO. Also, 30+ jumping, catching, and stamina, but only 21 confidence. 28 strength, 42 tackling.

Has anyone else seen results, or is it fair to say that Super Vision is horribly useless?

it could be intentional that you only need a medium amount (softcap) of vision for play recognition just to keep low level games from looking even more absurd than they already are.

but there might be other benefits to taking vision further like you did. mainly, since reaching your vision levels, have you ever been pump faked / head faked / juked? i would hope that with that much vision, you'd be practically immune to fakes.

does it seem to help in pathing around blockers when chasing the ball carrier? bort has let it slip that there is a vision check when DEs try to pick a path around an OT, maybe your vision helps you avoid blockers in the open field?

Originally posted by Rogafella
umm, name one player on the defensive side of the ball that doesnt have blown out stats due to cupcakes?

i dont even know what you're arguing about here underdogs? you seem to be very defensive over a difference of opinions, relax.
anyway, on topic; i would say 60-65 vision and 8 SV would be enough for most CB's (i personally have more i didnt see much improvement.)
confidence imo is more important than both catching and strength for a CB who cares more for not getting beat.

it doesnt seem to me that he is getting angry over a defensive player having blown out stats against a cupcake. I think its more of him getting angry because the guy is talking like confidence is a big factor in how well you do and used his stats to prove his point but majority of those huge stats came from teams in which you should clearly dominate. Thus not really showing if confidence plays that big of a role against teams in which are either a bit better than you or with whom you are evenly matched.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Granted86

Originally posted by UnderDogs




nah no reason to prove anything to you. you're right on track with confidence. I think you'll be a confidence pioneer. since hardly any corner in this game cares about confidence.




am i really the only cb owner that cares about confidece? ... dont think i am ... but ...

FACT ... Jamaal Grant: 79 career games - 339/360 tackles, 276 PD's and 27 INT's

all with catching and strength both under 30 and confidence over 40 ... i gota be doing something right


Well looking back over your career i see most of your int's, tackles, and p.d.'s come in blowouts.and looking at the 12 int's you got in season 5 only 1 comes in a game that was somewhat close. you got 4, and 3 in 255-0 games. I wouldn't brag too much about stats. To this point, your stats have been less about your build. And more about who you have been playing.

the argument is basicallly between confidence and stregnth
he says stregnth is more imp. than confidnce i say vice versa

yes yes ... we ALL face gutted teams , even YOUR CB Hayden Christensen, ur living in a glass house throwing stones ...

game 1 - 14 pd's, , your team won by 200!
game 2 - 7 pd's you win 81-0
game 5 - 11 pd's yall won 189-0
game 9 - 6 pd's, yall won 203-7
game 12 - 12 pd's, yall won 245-0
game 15 - 5 pd's, your team wins 185 - 0
game 16 - 5 ps'd, your team won 52-6

thats 60 PDs against 7 REALLY bad teams ... you had 77 total ... my cb woulda had 100+ pd's with the EASE of your schedule ...

7 games vs gutted teams - 60 total pd's
9 games vs. decent teams 17 total pd's

... fact is fact your cb was creatd first yet jamaal has been more effective when it counts ...

jamaal vs. the best qb/wr duo in EEAAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=291510
jamaal was level 38, wr was level 45, qb was level 44

underdogs is the only cb owner i can think of who says confidence doesnt matter ... stregnth is important to ints and pd's ... lmao ... no stregnth nothing to do with it ... its just makes ur bar go higher, makes u a better tackler ... remember we are building cb's NOT safeties ... i think u have to much crushed glass in ur fav. drug lil' fella

Originally posted by Granted86


the argument is basicallly between confidence and stregnth
he says stregnth is more imp. than confidnce i say vice versa



this argument his not about confidence over str. this argument is about your build alone. it has nothing to do with my build whatsoever. My guy only has 31 str, and 34 confidence.. it's about your build and confidence solely.

Also I can gladly show you my build. It's horrible. It was going to be a kick returner, and that's it. He was going to be retired a while ago(like 2 or 3 seasons ago). People kept needing him. He didn't even play pass defense till season what? 4 or 5 ? then he has slowly gotten better as I added to things that helped with pass defense and not just kick returns, you can tell, and not one point added to confidence. He won trophies as a kick returner when that's all I was building him for. He has been average,in pass defense. I wouldn't expect him to be anything less than average having 6 in return specialist natural. But for some reason as horrible of a build he is. people can't find better. It's pretty sad really a build like this, on the verge of retiring, for being such a horrible build, is forced to keep playing. Because people who are building corners and are actually trying can't make one better, or they are in such short supply my guy is actually good. And if the team he is on can find a decent replacement, he is going to be retired at the end of this season.

Hayden Christensen (Lv. 40 CB)
Ht/Wt: 6'1", 188lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 31.13
Speed: 88.75 (92.75 now with Level 40 upgrades.)
Agility: 71.09
Jumping: 34.68
Stamina: 42.09
Vision: 61.72
Confidence: 34.63

Football Skills
Blocking: 9
Catching: 31.65
Tackling: 27.05
Throwing: 10
Carrying: 27.31
Kicking: 9
Punting: 7

Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 5
Sticky Hands: 3
Superior Vision: 5
Smooth Operator: 1
Shutdown Coverage: 1

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 2
Change Direction: 3
Return Specialist: 6
Blitz: 0
Closing Speed: 0

Veteran Abilities
Quick: 7
Track Star: 1
Long Reach: 10

Le'Roy Jenkins, my USA Pro CB, has quite a bit of vision and super vision, and look at his stat line (sorted by PDs):

http://goallineblitz.com/game/stats.pl?season=7&league_id=1&conference_id=0&stat=defense&sort=pass_deflections&playoffs=0

Ninth most PDs ever in USA Pro.

Just saying...

Originally posted by Yellow
Le'Roy Jenkins, my USA Pro CB, has quite a bit of vision and super vision, and look at his stat line (sorted by PDs):

http://goallineblitz.com/game/stats.pl?season=7&league_id=1&conference_id=0&stat=defense&sort=pass_deflections&playoffs=0

Ninth most PDs ever in USA Pro.

Just saying...

13 came in a 255-0 blowout. then you got 0 the game after in a 200-0 win. LOL

just saying.

Look, none of this stuff matters. The only important thing is - who's that in Carnage's avatar?

Originally posted by adeepercut2k
Look, none of this stuff matters. The only important thing is - who's that in Carnage's avatar?

Quoted for truth.