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Tibbar = Epic fail
Your first season your gonna get trounced thats just the way it is. Your communist ideas about capping success are ridiculous. To cry in this forum where there area bunch of owners who have had to build their teams from the ground up and now 2, 3 even 4 seasons later are finally havin their chance to shine only to hear some little socialist punk whine about havin to do the same thing is comical. You dont get hired on as CEO and you dont start college as a senior. The best part about succeeding with anything in life is earning what you get. Stop crying build a good team and earn your place.

I just want to put my two cents in here....
My team, Holland Pinoy All Stars, is in its 2nd season. Last season, we crashed and burned to the tune of 1 - 15 record.
This season, we're currently at 3 - 9 and may finish with 4 wins on the team's second season.

And just like Tibbar, when I got this team I had it was I think the correct term is "gutted".
We took all those 100+ to 0 losses but never complained about the level disparity.
We just continued on the team's mission/vision of competing for the playoffs on the team's 3rd season and try to be a championship caliber team by its 4th season.

Patience is a virtue that you need in rebuilding a team. When we play, we don't focus too much on the strengths/weaknesses of the other team. We focus on our team's strengths and weaknesses. We try to continually improve our team.

Right now the average player level of the team's starters is at around level 24 and the backup are at around level 22.
So we're doing this rebuilding thing slowly and focusing on key areas in order to build a solid foundation (i.e. stadium completion, improve player builds).

- Dino

lol you all are funny... yes we are a first year team, one that will end up with 10, possibly 11 wins..... and a 5th place finish, for first year out of the gate we have done well, and done it within our budget.... the point is that if you are full of high 30's and 40's you have to have a stadium big enough to support them, if you have all that you have been around far too long to be sitting in BBB league... some parity needs to exist and yes if you brought a bunch of high lvl players to a basement lvl league then you need to get up and move to where you belong.... you're like Michael Jordan in his prime playing for the local Jr. High team... what exactly are you proving and to whom?

If suggested levels mean anything, then why not do something like what the d-league does. Once your contract expires and your at a certain level, say 35 you can no longer sign with a BBB team. This would suck if you are the team owner and want your players on your team. The fame and endorsement penalty is supposed to encourage you do move up. That should be enough incentive. The problem is very few teams want to move up without winning a title first. Maybe if they give some kind of incentive , like an X amount of cash into the teams account, for petitioning to move up a league.

Originally posted by Tibbar
lol you all are funny... yes we are a first year team, one that will end up with 10, possibly 11 wins..... and a 5th place finish, for first year out of the gate we have done well, and done it within our budget.... the point is that if you are full of high 30's and 40's you have to have a stadium big enough to support them, if you have all that you have been around far too long to be sitting in BBB league... some parity needs to exist and yes if you brought a bunch of high lvl players to a basement lvl league then you need to get up and move to where you belong.... you're like Michael Jordan in his prime playing for the local Jr. High team... what exactly are you proving and to whom?

I don't know why I even try to explain because you just don't get it. You see your side of the story and that is it. I have addressed both sides and argued my point. Not sure why I keep repeating myself in response to you, but here goes anyways.

Yes, you will end up with 10 possibly 11 wins, that's because your conference is weak compared to other USA BBB leagues/conferences. Your conference is one of the exceptions that has had lots of gutted/slow build teams, thus you are able to compete, with lower level guys. Again, you do not understand the history of the league.

We did not bring in a bunch of high lvl players to a basement lvl league, we started out as a slow building team and built to where we are now. Yes we have lost players and brought in replacements that equaled in level, but all this was done to compete with the rest of the conference. You can't win and move up in our league without high lvl 30-40 players, period.

We aren't trying to beat up on the little guy, we're trying to do what is necessary to win in our league and move up, so we don't have to be in the BBB anymore.

USA BBB has been around probably since before you were born. The league is strong and these new rules and changes need to respect that, not penalize that. The USA BBB is not like other BBB leagues.

Originally posted by jgifford

USA BBB has been around probably since before you were born. The league is strong and these new rules and changes need to respect that, not penalize that. The USA BBB is not like other BBB leagues.

Actually...all the BBB leagues will end up this way eventually, then they will BB teams, then B teams ...so on and so forth. The problem is that teams that are not competative and get frustrated give up. This means that a new owner comes in a strips the team to start over.

I'm all for staying in the league you started in, but I think that they should have a list of teams that move up...but to a DIFFERENT league where they can be competative. The league swap 2 seasons ago was supposed to make this happen...it didn't. So, just like a lot of BBB teams I took my lumps the first couple of seasons and then I had a break out season...only to lose just before the confernce finals. So, with all the time and effort I put into creating my team, I should just take the hit and start recruiting lower leveled players again? Or should there be a league lottery where your team moves up, but not necessarily to the next league above your own, but to a different region where you can be competative? I would vote for the latter...it would suck, but at least I would be moved into a more competative league.

been around longer than Ive been born? LOL well only if they have been around since before 1957, and somehow I find that hard to believe lol

again you only want to see the struggle you have been through to finally get to where you are...

that sucked... the point is if it was lvl appropriate you would not have had the struggle against superior teams, you would have struggled to be better at offense, defense, player builds, play selection, etc etc and thats what would finally get you to the championship, just not being around long enough to have players of high enough lvls that you can now compete... you should have been able to compete all along, what would be missing is the experience and team management.... now the fun begins..

just cause it wasnt fixed when you were struggling to climb up (which is the only way to do it as of now), doesnt mean it should never be fixed... admit it, wouldnt you have preferred to have spent these seasons losing cause you were learning the game rather than because you were waiting to grow high enough lvls to even stand a chance?

The point is he paid his dues. We're paying ours. And nobody is whining. House rules. Majority rules. You lose. Nuff said.

Originally posted by Tibbar
been around longer than Ive been born? LOL well only if they have been around since before 1957, and somehow I find that hard to believe lol

again you only want to see the struggle you have been through to finally get to where you are...

that sucked... the point is if it was lvl appropriate you would not have had the struggle against superior teams, you would have struggled to be better at offense, defense, player builds, play selection, etc etc and thats what would finally get you to the championship, just not being around long enough to have players of high enough lvls that you can now compete... you should have been able to compete all along, what would be missing is the experience and team management.... now the fun begins..

just cause it wasnt fixed when you were struggling to climb up (which is the only way to do it as of now), doesnt mean it should never be fixed... admit it, wouldnt you have preferred to have spent these seasons losing cause you were learning the game rather than because you were waiting to grow high enough lvls to even stand a chance?



Hopefully you noticed the sarcasm in the "been around longer than Ive been born" comment.

I've said all along, if you bothered to actually read my comments, that I agree that something should be done to fix the problem. I just disagree with the way it is being done.

Finally I think you may be understanding our side of the argument, but again you're not in our place so it is easier for you to take the position that helps you the most. Coach RW brought up one idea. There should be more discussion about other ideas. I just don't believe that punishing paying agents that have worked hard to get to where they are is the right way to fix it. I agree if a team is just signing high level guys to a lower level league for stats that he should be punished, but how are you going to know whether this is the case or not?

I would love to see more discussion of some ideas that are better then penalizing teams that have worked hard and paid their dues to get to higher levels so that they can move up to higher leagues.

Unless you have access to a team's roster and transaction history there's no way to tell how a team got to where they are. I was there and I saw it is not admissable .

Originally posted by Tibbar
been around longer than Ive been born? LOL well only if they have been around since before 1957, and somehow I find that hard to believe lol

again you only want to see the struggle you have been through to finally get to where you are...

that sucked... the point is if it was lvl appropriate you would not have had the struggle against superior teams, you would have struggled to be better at offense, defense, player builds, play selection, etc etc and thats what would finally get you to the championship, just not being around long enough to have players of high enough lvls that you can now compete... you should have been able to compete all along, what would be missing is the experience and team management.... now the fun begins..

just cause it wasnt fixed when you were struggling to climb up (which is the only way to do it as of now), doesnt mean it should never be fixed... admit it, wouldnt you have preferred to have spent these seasons losing cause you were learning the game rather than because you were waiting to grow high enough lvls to even stand a chance?


I've been around since 1955.... Next.........If you don't believe it would you care to make afriendly flex wager on it ?

Originally posted by Cponyman
Unless you have access to a team's roster and transaction history there's no way to tell how a team got to where they are. I was there and I saw it is not admissable .

Agreed

I received my team in USA BBB#2 and in out first season we went to the playoffs as the 8th seed. This season we finished as the second seed. I worked hard to build my team and sign players that I know from around the game and generally get good people to be on my team. For the most part guys have stuck with me and that is one of the reasons we were able to be very good in our second season. Owning a team isn't for everyone, it is a lot of freaking work to recruit and keep guys on the team happy and wanting to come back whether you win or lose.

The bottom line is that most of the teams that are at the bottom of the BBB leagues are there for 2 reasons in my opinion.
1. They didn't put in the effort to recruit a quality team, they sent out lots of contracts but no effort in recruiting. To get the good ones you have to actually send them a note and not cut and paste. Anyone can do that and what sets your team apart. it still is a lot of work but its lazy recruiting. everyone has done it and sometimes you get a good player but for the most part you get the guy that no one else wanted.

2. Slow build teams - They choose to be bad now to be a power in the future. Their choice.

In BBB#2 from 1-8 the teams are pretty even and I can see that guys put in effort to build their teams. When you join a league don't worry about the level cap, do some research on the teams you will be competing against and recruit to beat those teams. If you want everyone to be equal buy a Pee Wee team. If you want to build a successful team be a good active owner, guys on your team will appreciate it and bring in other players they know. Only 1 team out of every 32 wins the title in each league and the best teams move up so everyone thinks they deserve a title by just staying in the league. Not the case, every season is hard work to get the team you want.

My team has high level players on it as well, but they choose to be here not because they are getting the stats but because we have built a team that will compete every season and we have a good group of guys. I have not been able to pay for their upgrades so they are sacrificing a little to be here but when I do have money they will get it. Why should teams like mine who put in the work have to tear it down so the guys who don't do the work can compete. Any owners that have more than a few CPU players on their team should not complain, they don't even have a complete roster. I stated with a basic stadium and the $1.5 million like most new teams last season and I found a way to compete.

Looks like after losing to number 7 you'll get to try it again. Good luck.

Originally posted by Cponyman
Looks like after losing to number 7 you'll get to try it again. Good luck.

Yes, the number 7 team was a slow builder and boosted after the season and surprised us and the 3rd place team. They almost knocked off the first place team too. Thats what made our league playoff so exciting. If every team won that was expected to win this game would be pointless.