Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Randy03Texags
Originally posted by kenyon1977

Look at how you all treat Caponesgun because he took his team to another league, Jesus yeah that sounds like fun.

He took it away because we had too many crappy teams in this league that wouldnt challenge him ..

Stubborn owners he dont want whats best for the league and only want some sort of "prestige" or something of having a "Pro" team and the partial resulting issue of Alpha gutting is what drove him away.

But yeah he catches shit because he abandoned ship rather than try to improve the league .. of course he was at least looking for what those of us are looking for who want to improve the league .. more competition.

You call this prestige??? Being berated by you is not prestige. Being called selfish is not prestige. I don't even use the fact that I have a Pro team in recruiting because I see it as being prickish, maybe you don't.

The fact is I have been here since season 1. There are going to be up and downs with a team period. A big stubling block was being convinced to drop most of the players off the team, which by the way I noticed some went to that guys' other teams that he was involved with.

What I don't like is how you have appointed yourself to a position of where you think you are making the league better without asking anyone else. That to me makes you look like either an asshole or just a bully. If you are dying for competition then move your team, there's plenty here for us already.

Douche..

I don't know what you definition of make it better is. With you running around being the "leader" of this league you can't change much. As Kenyon said, when anybody talks crap people bring up stats and tell other people to shut up. The fact that you recommended downgrading a team that's been active and has the talent is just a dick move. Everybody has a rough season, that doesn't mean you demote them. I haven't seen our team gut or not sign anybody. This off-season we're making improvements. You being the "leader" I guess you would have thought of something like that. I guess not.

Wow 3 of your team crawled out to participate in the league for the first time since demonicangel left.

One of them has never posted anything in these forums before.

Originally posted by Randy03Texags
Wow 3 of your team crawled out to participate in the league for the first time since demonicangel left.

One of them has never posted anything in these forums before.

I've never seen that much of your team around here.

Originally posted by Randy03Texags
Wow 3 of your team crawled out to participate in the league for the first time since demonicangel left.

Demonicangel left, yes we ALLL know this. He was getting bored with the game etc etc etc etc , whatever man, he's gone. Unless he has another multi out there, LOL.


The guys on my team usually don't say much in the forums, is that another rule you are going to start putting on everyone your majesty??? Are you going to require everyone on every team to participate in the forum or else?

Jesus Randy build yourself a kingdom in your backyard and rule over your subjects until your wife tells you to come inside for dinner.

Originally posted by kenyon1977
Jesus Randy build yourself a kingdom in your backyard and rule over your subjects until your wife tells you to come inside for dinner.

I think he's built one already.

Originally posted by kenyon1977
Originally posted by Rezlov

You guys lost your last 9 games...


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so??? your point being?? at least we're trying everyday. I see teams come in here and bitch about how they haven't had to set their tactics all season, etc etc etc. Well what the hell does that tell you??? It's not that we need to get rid of all the so called ""bad"" teams.

We need to get rid of the two or three elite teams and that will even out the league a lot more than getting rid of half the damn league.

So your solution to you not being able to compete is to send off the elite teams? Get them out of the PRO league?

So the Steelers, Patriots, Colts, etc... should piss off to the Canadian league so that the Bengals and Chiefs can compete?

I don't think Randy is really trying to be a prick, but its obvious that your team doesn't belong in the Pros. Why wouldn't you want to go down to a lower league that you can be more competitive in? Then come back up after you've done some recruiting.

Check out the Alpha Conference in this league

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=18

That is competition, the 15th team has 4 wins, the 14th has 6, except for the 2 top teams its a damned competitive league.

That is pretty ideal, you would like there not to be that much of a gap between 1-3 and then the rest, but then again its an AAA league and not a Pro league.

Pro leagues are intended to be the pinnacle of their regions .. not a place where bad teams are "left alone".

I think the back and forth and personnel attacks are useless.

I think Kenyon does have a point but it is less workable. Moving the 'competitive' teams out of EEPro and letting the others remain sounds like a good idea but ends up creating more of the same.

At the same time, I don;t share Randy's opinion of who should be relegated down. In every league of 32 teams you're likely going to have teams that have 5 and 11 records. Its just the nature of things. If they don;t relegate down to the lower league because there was someone worse, doesnt mean we should automatically push them down anyway to get a more 'competitive' team up. Heck, you don;t even know if the team you promote up will be as competitive just by looking at their performance in their lower leagues.

Sure they may appear to have good levels etc, but then once they are facing the pros, they could crumple and all you have done is insulted a large number of folks by calling them scrubs and demanding their restructruing and the restructuring ends up producing the same results.

I think a league of all 8-8 teams where the playoffs are determined by various tie breakers may _sound_ interesting, but likely would kill the game further.

I'm all for relegating CPU run teams downwards. But if a team has living/breathing players on it, relegate them ONLY if they are so demonstrably outclassed that they really should drop down.

Alternatively, maybe do not count the automatically dropped CPU teams in a leagues relegation/promotion algorithmm.

So, For xample. Lets say Zeta has 3 CPU teams at the end of the season. Instead of just relegating those three CPU teams, those should be considered automatic and the next two _human_ teams with the poorest records should relegate down as well. Then the best teams from the league below would be promoted.

But I do not think your plan is very people friendly Randy. I understand wanting better competition, but I would just point at the NFL and note that with this many teams, statistically, some are going to have very poor records and not be as competitive. Its just going to happen.

Not worth making enemies over. IMO.

Heck, my initial introduction to you was a rather negative one.

Believe me when I say I understand how you can have good motivations but rub people the wrong way. You may want to rethink your approach.

Yep, thats what I figured from the start, that I wanted to gather data to show just how uncompetitive certain teams were and suggest that it would be better for all parties that they demoted so that they have an easier time.

I met with some personal attacks and I responded likewise, but honestly the Admins would never drop a human team that doesnt want to go, I knew that from the start, because people like Kenyon just dont want to go for some reason.

Anyhow .. I still think that if GLB and Greek demoted they would have a better chance to build a better team, they might be playoff teams in AAA .. lower range playoff teams, but they would win more games none the less .. hell GLB might be good enough to come back up in a season.

If those two teams demote because their owners are smart and want to keep their players happy and improve their fan support, then Cincy by default is last place next season .. as it stands they look like they are last place, so Kenyon only needs to wait 1 more season to be one of the two last places.

Originally posted by kenyon1977
Teams don't gut or quit because of the league being a joke.

This is the only part of this thread I will comment on. Our team almost folded after going undefeated for 2 seasons and not getting promoted out of the league. We out classed the teams in our AA league and in the AAA league it made the game horribly boring and we lost quite a few players and agents out of boredom with the game.

Randy provides us with write ups, little summaries, playoff breakdowns and so on. Just because he does so shouldn't make him look to be king. As a matter of fact, I'm sure he would be happy if someone took that from him as it is VERY time consuming.

You may be active, but you can't compete. Go down a level where you CAN compete. If you are good enough, then you will make it back.

And for the point Enkidu makes of having 5-11 teams...that is VERY understandable and acceptable if the league is solid top to bottom. However, picking up those 5 [or 4 in this case] wins from CPU teams doesn't mean anything. You can have a VERY solid 5-11 team in one league and then a weak 5-11 team in another.

I believe the Gods should be given 1 more season chance as my team shows what can be done in a seasons turn, give Greek one more to clear up their inactive mess, but just as you said...Cinci has been here since Day 1. That can be respected, but if you cannot compete, don't pretend you can and take that chance from someone else.

LOL, One losing season and this is what I get huh? THey need a champions league so Randy and his super duper team can go knock heads with other super duper teams.

Good Lord people. If you buy into this shit then you can have your league all to yourselves. 6 seasons and 1 losing record. Let's see,

if you have 1 bad day at work next week then I guess you should be demoted to sweeping the floor or even fired. No worries though because there will be someone newer with fancy packaging coming along to take your place.

it's a rediculous notion. If you truely want more competition Randy take your team somewhere else, I'm sure you can send enough pm's to the right people to make it happen. Other than that just leave my team alone you prick. You have no right or authority to suggest otherwise.

Welcome to open forums, where anything can and will be discussed. If Randy wants to petition to move SGA, then he is allowed. Randy makes authoritative suggestions to improve the league.

One losing season is enough. It doesn't take 5 seasons in this game to determine things. 8-8 season in S3, 7-9 in S4, 8-8 in S5 [was riddled with bad teams, hell the Mutants almost made the playoffs that year] and now this 4-12 season.