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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert



Good luck to everybody remaining in the playoffs and we will be back next year to battle for the title then!

Good to hear...I would enjoy a rivalry with you guys.



Ok, long live the Green Bay / Detroit rivalry!

I think Bort may be adding a lot of plays next season. He has hesitated to give owners a lot of offensive control for fear that they would do exactly what they are doing now, which is running the same plays over and over. I think every formation needs 5-6 different kinds of plays and that would fix a lot of issues.

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by cwrujosh



If only one play works, and you want to win, run that one play. End of story.

I agree with what your saying but it just isn't as fun when that happens. To me it isn't worth it to win if you are just exploiting one play over and over again. To me you should try and actually have an offense with long, medium, short passes and pitches, off tackle and inside runs...what fun is it to see the same play over and over again 60-80 times a game.

I couldn't agree with you more, but it makes no sense to say you lost because you weren't the guy to run that one play.



I've got pretty strong feeling on this myself. Most games, the OT play has made up around 60% of my runs, 70 has been the highest and 50% the lowest (that's % of RUNNING plays, not all plays on O, I always set a decent % of passes). That may seem to some as an "exploit," but, really, what are you supposed to do if you want to be a running team? The outside runs are absolutely worthless, IMO. I really, really, really, REALLY wish they weren't, but they are. Over the course of the season, I'd bet my net on outside runs have been close to 0 yds per carry, having lost as many yards as I've gained. So, are you really supposed to run outside, knowing the net result over the course of a game will be wasted plays?

So, what does that leave? It leaves the inside run and OT run. The OT run is by far the most effective of the 2, but I still set about a 60/40 split between them, plus toss in a decent % of passes, because I have no desire to run the same play over and over again either. Hell, even just splitting it between the insides and the OT isn't enough. I desperately wish that Bort had invested enough time in the O last off season to at least fix the plays in the run game. Flat out, if you are going to be a run team and do a 25, 25, 25, 25 split between Inside, OT, Outside & Pitch, along with a decent % of passes, you are going to lose every game against decent or better teams. So, what are you supposed to do? Call plays so that you assure yourself a loss or be a passing happy team when you want to be a run team?

That said, run teams are at a huge disadvantage against teams that don't have a problem using an "exploit" on D. I won't spell it out, but almost every DC here must know how they can shut down a run game. Hell, I've known since the D AI 1st came out and refuse to believe that most everyone else hasn't also. Frankly, I've been impressed that the majority of teams have refused to do it, except in 3rd and short, where it makes some sense. I think that says a lot about the sportsmanship of most teams in this league.


PP I'd hope most people know about it but most people don't want to pull it out unless you face a team who runs basically 90%-100% of that off tackle play. However I must say I didn't know to use it until lately...thank god I am only the OC not the DC.

I really designed it for teams like Boston who used to run the same play every down. If you look at their playoff game against DDL last season finding some way to contain it was a necessity. They used that 1 play as 85% of their offensive plays. That is not an exaggeration. I don't have a link to the game but if you can find it you will see. Then after the season in their interview they talked about spending hours and hours gameplanning. Hours and hours for Strong Power I dive on 85% of their offensive plays and Cover 2 Man on 85% of their defensive plays?!?Hilarious!

Originally posted by tpaterniti
I really designed it for teams like Boston who used to run the same play every down. If you look at their playoff game against DDL last season finding some way to contain it was a necessity. They used that 1 play as 85% of their offensive plays. That is not an exaggeration. I don't have a link to the game but if you can find it you will see. Then after the season in their interview they talked about spending hours and hours gameplanning. Hours and hours for Strong Power I dive on 85% of their offensive plays and Cover 2 Man on 85% of their defensive plays?!?Hilarious!

So hilarious that no one could stop it and they won the championship.

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Originally posted by PP

Originally posted by The Strategy Expert




Good luck to everybody remaining in the playoffs and we will be back next year to battle for the title then!

Good to hear...I would enjoy a rivalry with you guys.



Ok, long live the Green Bay / Detroit rivalry!

Sounds like a winner to me!

Originally posted by cwrujosh
Originally posted by tpaterniti

I really designed it for teams like Boston who used to run the same play every down. If you look at their playoff game against DDL last season finding some way to contain it was a necessity. They used that 1 play as 85% of their offensive plays. That is not an exaggeration. I don't have a link to the game but if you can find it you will see. Then after the season in their interview they talked about spending hours and hours gameplanning. Hours and hours for Strong Power I dive on 85% of their offensive plays and Cover 2 Man on 85% of their defensive plays?!?Hilarious!

So hilarious that no one could stop it and they won the championship.

i think you missed the point

Originally posted by Okole
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by tpaterniti


I really designed it for teams like Boston who used to run the same play every down. If you look at their playoff game against DDL last season finding some way to contain it was a necessity. They used that 1 play as 85% of their offensive plays. That is not an exaggeration. I don't have a link to the game but if you can find it you will see. Then after the season in their interview they talked about spending hours and hours gameplanning. Hours and hours for Strong Power I dive on 85% of their offensive plays and Cover 2 Man on 85% of their defensive plays?!?Hilarious!

So hilarious that no one could stop it and they won the championship.

i think you missed the point

One of us did, clearly.

I find it hilarious that people feel too much pride to use the defensive "exploit" to counter the offensive "exploit" and would rather take the loss.

I'm also confused about the people who think the game is broken now, but thought they were geniuses for winning championships in season 2 and 3 when the game was 1,000 times worse and 1,000 times less strategy back then. Higher level ALWAYS won unless you had speed demons (that was the exploit that Flames and other teams like mine used). Now when you can actually call tons of offenses and defenses, mix people around, and CONTROL things, then people say the game is boring and broke?? WAAT?

The only thing that changed is that you aren't 16-0 every year now. Some people can't handle that. You find a person's true character when they encounter adversity.

Originally posted by SteelersInsider
I find it hilarious that people feel too much pride to use the defensive "exploit" to counter the offensive "exploit" and would rather take the loss.

I'm also confused about the people who think the game is broken now, but thought they were geniuses for winning championships in season 2 and 3 when the game was 1,000 times worse and 1,000 times less strategy back then. Higher level ALWAYS won unless you had speed demons (that was the exploit that Flames and other teams like mine used). Now when you can actually call tons of offenses and defenses, mix people around, and CONTROL things, then people say the game is boring and broke?? WAAT?

The only thing that changed is that you aren't 16-0 every year now. Some people can't handle that. You find a person's true character when they encounter adversity.

Speed won because everybody balanced their points.

I never blamed the loss on the offensive exploit, I blamed it on our offense sucking balls.

Originally posted by Stobie
Mustangs are lacking depth in positions and well.. somehow kept it close but.. meh.. loldots

Every league needs more "loldots"

Originally posted by SteelersInsider
I find it hilarious that people feel too much pride to use the defensive "exploit" to counter the offensive "exploit" and would rather take the loss.


I know right. Like I went over to my buddy's house to play Madden and he kept running the same unstoppable play over and over. I was all like "Why not pick a new play and lets have some fun" but then he was all "Why don't you just call this play". So I did, and the game ended in a 70-70 tie. It sucked not having a challenge, but hey, at least neither of us has any pride left to get in the way of all our shame.

Also, fer serial, if you think Off-tackle running is an offensive exploit, you need to look up exploit because it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Anthony18Wa

Originally posted by GeneralMakaveli


Originally posted by jrry32



Tom Foolery I have to agree with General Mak but not in the way he words it...it defeats the purpose of the game when there is 1 play that a team uses that makes them so tough to stop. They are exploiting the game because you know the play is coming but it can't be or is very tough to stop...what's the point in playing if teams only want to run this play and another play that are currently exploits so they can win instead of ACTUALLY playing a game and having multiple plays.

This.



I definitely agree there are people who exploit the game and are in it just for that and to win the cheapest way they can, but unless I missing something I don't think we used any kind of exploit to speak of at all, I just set up the offense like I normally do and the defense was the same.

Still though, I can tell General that the whole Demon Lion team didn't have their hearts in the game this season. Still though, you guys didn't play bad and it was a real tight game until the 3rd quarter when we had some extremely helpful breaks go our way. Unfortunately though this'll be the end of this rivarly, at least in our era, don't know who the new Coyote owner will be so a rivarly could be resparked.

Not saying you guys did...just kind of elaborating on the thoughts of General Mak why this game isn't as much fun to play anymore.


Yeah I didnt mean no disrespect to K-Zoo today's game was great. You beat use good game.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
I really designed it for teams like Boston who used to run the same play every down. If you look at their playoff game against DDL last season finding some way to contain it was a necessity. They used that 1 play as 85% of their offensive plays. That is not an exaggeration. I don't have a link to the game but if you can find it you will see. Then after the season in their interview they talked about spending hours and hours gameplanning. Hours and hours for Strong Power I dive on 85% of their offensive plays and Cover 2 Man on 85% of their defensive plays?!?Hilarious!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=137408

Yes Im sure this took HOURS to set up lol.

some of you guys are real whiny pussies