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Originally posted by wollfrnd
Originally posted by Atrain72

Originally posted by JoSCh




Don't push your religion on me.

I thought the same thing but i don't want to be lame and offend anybody. Just better to let it go.

Unless you ask me to stop swearing then your fucking dreaming


I couldn't care less about you swearing. F-bomb away for all I care. I would just prefer people not take my personal lord an savior's name in vain (btw...that includes using his name in a sentence where you F-bomb). Now that, I do care about.

Also, don't think I am pushing my religion on you. If you are not a Christian, that is your choice. My problem lies with the fact that people use Jesus Christ's name for such things, who obviously don't believe in him. If you don't believe in him, then don't use him.

Kcfdx had it right about it being a respect thing for those of us that do believe in him. (BTW...thanks for that Kcfdx.)



Next thing you'll be telling us people shouldn't publish a picture of Allah (or is it Muhammed?) or we deserve the bombing we get...

Turn the other cheek, that's what JC says to do.

Originally posted by Atrain72
Originally posted by JoSCh



Don't push your religion on me.

I thought the same thing but i don't want to be lame and offend anybody. Just better to let it go.

Unless you ask me to stop swearing then your fucking dreaming


Fuck you in the fucking face if you think offending someones religious beliefs is "lame", that is what this country was founded on! AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!

Originally posted by JoSCh
Originally posted by wollfrnd

Originally posted by Atrain72


Originally posted by JoSCh





Don't push your religion on me.

I thought the same thing but i don't want to be lame and offend anybody. Just better to let it go.

Unless you ask me to stop swearing then your fucking dreaming


I couldn't care less about you swearing. F-bomb away for all I care. I would just prefer people not take my personal lord an savior's name in vain (btw...that includes using his name in a sentence where you F-bomb). Now that, I do care about.

Also, don't think I am pushing my religion on you. If you are not a Christian, that is your choice. My problem lies with the fact that people use Jesus Christ's name for such things, who obviously don't believe in him. If you don't believe in him, then don't use him.

Kcfdx had it right about it being a respect thing for those of us that do believe in him. (BTW...thanks for that Kcfdx.)



Next thing you'll be telling us people shouldn't publish a picture of Allah (or is it Muhammed?) or we deserve the bombing we get...

Turn the other cheek, that's what JC says to do.

Actually, if someone is a Muslim, and they want to publish a picture of Allah or Muhammed, I would be fine with it. That is their religion. Just don't expect ME to find it holy. However, I would not use Allah or Muhammed's name in vain, anymore than I would MY God's or Jesus's name in vain. It is disrespectful.

Also, America was founded on the right of religious freedom. Not on religious persecution. People have the right to believe in a religion, or not to believe in a religion. Therefore, it is your right, as an American, to choose to not believe in a religion. Also, it is my right, as an American, to choose to believe in my religion.

When someone uses my Lord's name in vain that is not a christian, it is an attack on my religion. If someone that is a christian uses our Lord's name in vain....well, that is not a very smart individual. I mean, come on. Why would you do something that stupid if you believe in the christian God? Sheer stupidity, if you ask me.

it is not an attack on your religon it is a violation of YOUR religon's CREDO. Nothing more nothing less...by him saying Jesus Fucking christ he has broken your religous laws..thats it and if he doesnt believe in them then there is no violation.

The greatest misconception in the United States is that becuase we have freedom then that means we can do what we want. For instance his freedom of speech gives him the right to say that with out fear of persecution from authorites local or federal, however you feel slighted becuase he has violated your religon. The responsiblites of freedom dicate that your freedoms dont impose on someone elses. Hence the true purpose of the civil courts. they are there for the average citizen to seek recompense for violations of civil liberities.

Therefore along those lines you have actually caused him to be presecuted and viloated his rights to free speech by imposing your freedom and religous beliefs on him.

By the way this argument is based on similar arguments taught in any Legal Ethics classes in law school.

I do agree with you concerning the religous beliefs...just dont believe that gives me the right to impose them on other people.

At any rate, most people in America, and probably on this board, are Christian in some capacity, perhaps non-practicing, former, or the new "athiests" who don't understand what that even means, but Christians in some capacity. So in all likelyhood the person "attacking your religion" is one of you. Like I said, turn the other cheek and follow J to the C! Make yo boy PROUD!

Originally posted by Jathin
it is not an attack on your religon it is a violation of YOUR religon's CREDO. Nothing more nothing less...by him saying Jesus Fucking christ he has broken your religous laws..thats it and if he doesnt believe in them then there is no violation.

The greatest misconception in the United States is that becuase we have freedom then that means we can do what we want. For instance his freedom of speech gives him the right to say that with out fear of persecution from authorites local or federal. The responsiblites of freedom dicate that yor freedoms dont impose on someone elses.

Therefore along those lines you have actually caused him to be presecuted and viloated his rights to free speech but imposing your freedom and religous beliefs on him.

By the way this argument is based on similar arguments taught in any Legal Ethics classes in law school.

I do agree with you concerning the religous beliefs...just dont believe that gives me the right to impose them on other people.

Credo. Really? Credo. Hmmmm. I'm just sayin, who uses that word?

And "you have actually caused him to be presecuted and viloated his rights to free speech but imposing your freedom and religous beliefs on him" is patently wrong. Nobody has been persecuted or had their rights to free speech violated. Nothing has been imposed, just some opinion flying about. He can still type Jesus Fucking Christ all he wants. Eventually some mod may be alerted to this thread and may lock it, or even ban or perma-ban some people, and its still not a violation of anybodies right to free speech, just they can't use this PRIVATELY OWNED medium to propagate their message. They are welcome to have their own website, newspaper, tv show, etc.

Not to be picky on this subject...but by most definitions of christians be that any thing from Catholic to Church of Christ. Non-practicing, Former, and "athiest" are not considered Christian. Being Christian goes further than a belief system it has to do with the way you live your life. For instance Religon according to Webster's Dictionary is WAY OF LIFE. and Christian mean "Christ Like". You can not be any of the above mentioned and be "Christ Like".

Also turn the other cheek doesnt mean dont fight for your beleifs. Hence Jesus in the temple when he confronted the money changers (Matthew 21:12)

And to not understand something is not an excuse even God says to PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING.

So my brother I pray that you will continue to read and apply the lord's lessons to your life.

Peace be with you

to begin with Ethics is argumenative to begin with but...was your dilike not expressed and becuase of that expression did he not edit his comment? Therefore you will was imposed and there was a greater violation to him then to you. Now granted I will agree that this is a private medium and there are rules to it and those rules may to an extent superceede everyday society but the principal is sound.

Oh yeah and regardless of who uses the word doesnt mean it is not the proper word to use. And they wonder whats wrong with our public school system.

Oh Jathin, I could passive-aggressively discuss this for days with you.

Your statements "Non-practicing, Former, and "athiest" are not considered Christian. Being Christian goes further than a belief system it has to do with the way you live your life." are contradictory, especially when you consider that I quoted athiests because all the FSM "athiests" believe that you should lead a good life, you just shouldn't need a book/God/religion to make you do it, you can just use a CREDO!!! So you can be "Christ like" without being in an organized religion like Catholicism, etc.

Telling someone to not say something that offends you is not "fighting for your beliefs". And any time you quote scripture, me, or more likely someone smarter and more versed in it than me can quote you something that can be construed as exactly the opposite. Its the beauty of the bible honestly. God hates shrimp!

I didn't want anyone to edit anything, I think you are either confusing me with wollfnd, or you are replying to him right in the middle of a response to me.

Words fall in and out of style just like anything else, and credo is waaaaay out of style. That said, if I'm not mistaken a religion can't have a credo, since credo literally means "I believe", singular. So my use of credo as a belief system outside of organized religion is correct, or at least more correct than yours. Thanks public schools, I'm supah schmart!

Lakum salam mah brothah!

First of All just becuase some one has a different opinion of something DOES NOT make them less intelligent then you.

Second only the unenlightened unversed and unilaterally non-believing think that the Bible contradicts itself. The beauty of the Bible is that it is a book that has spaned 1000s of years and has a universal flow.

Third even the devil quotes scripture matt 4:3-5

So if you want to believe God hates shrimp...then so be it. But get thee behind me Satan.

Oh yeah and the book of James say Faith and Works....so it is not contridictory..it is belief and actions that make a Christian

I never said I was more intelligent than anyone, regardless of opinion. I did say I'm right (more right), and then said I'm smart, but never once mentioned anyone else. But way to play the victim.

Only people who can read and who have read the bible think it has contradictory statements. A universal flow? It was a universal flow. Please, please define a universal flow and tell me how the bible has it and what it does for it.

If the devil hisownsef quotes the bible it proves what? I don't know that the devil did, but I believe you.

Re God and his hate of shrimp (and shellfish and arthropods)

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

So tell me, are the scaleless shrimp an "abomination before God" or not?

Hooray book of James, you prove the bible is not contradictory somehow! I don't see what your point is. I'm baptised, my dog tags say "Christian", both my kids are baptized. I don't go to church. I'm a pretty decent person, I drink a bit too much probably, but I don't usually drive (far). I don't beat my kids or wife, I do community service (through the YMCA and Cub Scouts, both "religious" organizations) and I'm pretty sure I believe there is a God, although I'm admittedly skeptical of organized religion. Am I a Christian? I consider myself to be. Maybe I'm more of a Jew. Oy vey!

1 Timothy 4:4-5
"For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."

And of course Acts 10:9-15

9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Okay so along you lines of thought you live a good life, I commend you. But if you want to go tit or tat. there are things that you are required to do. This is outside of orginized religion. I too have a problem with that. According to the Bible as Christian there are precepts that we are required to do. For instance Fellowship and communion, and i dont mean the catholic form of communion, studying and spreading the word. Live your life according to his teachings.

I think its awesome how you showed that for each verse of scripture someone posts, someone else can post one that contradicts it. Should you eat shrimp or not? Its simultaneously good and to be received with thanksgiving and you may not eat it because it is unclean and an abomination.

I guess I'm an unpracticing (never practiced) Jew then. Jew for Jesus anyone? Shalom.

Basic pretense is that the bible is broken up into different ages those ages being the patriarchal, mosiac, and christain. Each ages was set up for teaching a particular group of people and although the lessons are good to follow dont nessacarily apply to "Christians", becuase Christ came and fullfilled the requirements of those "laws". For instance we still arent scarificing lambs are we? Why? Becuase Christ was the ultimate scarfice for forgivenesss. Whcih is why the new testament is our "Credo". <---sorry couldnt help it

Not contridictory just out of context.

It has been an interesting debate/discussion and please dont think that I am trying to be sardonic. Just like all religious discussion it comes to faith and opinion.

You know what they say religion and politics.

I'd need to see a link of some type to an authoritative source that says that the bible is broken into ages, and that the ages are only applicable to a certain group, and that Jesus' sacrifice fulfilled the previous versions for us. I've been a internet douchebag for years now, so I've seen or been involved in countless debates like this and this is the first I've seen this angle.

And I still don't really know if God wants me to eat shrimp or not. But I'm gonna anyway, I love them mudbugs, and I have to imagine that God doesn't care one way or another...

Like I said earlier, I'll discuss this for daaaaaayyyyys. And I promise not to get into a huff if you don't.

LOL, yes I do.