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Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by Darren McFadden

here's a play from the same game, same FB:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=152923&pbp_id=3302385

not every block is made 10 yards downfield.

blocking a LB didn't help on this play:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=152923&pbp_id=3302446

Watch the play closely and you may pick up on it...

First play was a good read by the FS, if I didn't block the LB on that play, he'd have made the tackle a step sooner than the FS did.

Second play was a bad cut back by the HB, he had a huge lane if he followed the block.

Either way, I don't know what you're trying to do... except further prove my point. Do us all a favor and go back to your armchair. It's obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about. Especially after showing, yet another, text-book perfect block in the second play. Which only further shows that I have a very well built FB who is experiencing a measure of success in this game.

Football is a game of execution. My FB executes his responsibilities on the majority of plays. It's not my fault that you don't know what the FBs responsibility is. The OP asked for advice to try and help his player execute better and based on his replies, I'd have to say that your assessment is way off the mark of what he was asking for.

P.S. after looking at your FB's production, it appears that you're just bitter. My FB has better numbers last season, than yours does in his entire career and the sad part is that your FB was higher level until tonight.

no need to get mean... it is just that glb fullback is evolving... People think that the fullback position is worthless and refuse to recognize the role of a good fb.

In all seriousness i saw some statistic today that said out of the ten leading rushers in the nfl 9 had a traditional fb as opposed to an h back or some of those offenses that dont use them

Originally posted by staggart
no need to get mean... it is just that glb fullback is evolving... People think that the fullback position is worthless and refuse to recognize the role of a good fb.

In all seriousness i saw some statistic today that said out of the ten leading rushers in the nfl 9 had a traditional fb as opposed to an h back or some of those offenses that dont use them

It's the internet, text-based communication loses a lot of intent. I'm a wise-ass IRL, that translates to being mean or sounding mad in text. If you could hear the inflection of my accusations and snide comments, you take them for what they are (being a wise-ass). I also try not to use little faces and symbols either, because it's kind of emo. I'm also too much of a "circular logic" debater, which most people hate. They just want to have an opinion, not explain how they came to the conclusion.

As for the topic, a good FB can be game-changing for a running game. Although, it's still merely one component of a successful rushing attack. If the OL wasn't able to do their job, my FB would hardly make a difference.

I'm not sure anyone is devaluing the FB in the FB Club, maybe they are, but I just want the FB on my team to get better. He does some really good things at times, then other games seems lost. I'm sure level of competition is causing this, but that just tells me that we need to get better.

lol, my FB is pretty effective man. I'm perfectly happy with a 2 yard average if all those runs come on 3rd and 1. Your supposed understanding of football has nothing to do with this game. You make a lot of assumptions and then justify them based on things that you can't know for sure are going on. Just because you think you know what should happen on a given play doesn't mean you know for sure what your player in the sim is "seeing". But if you want to believe that having a decent FB in a mediocre BBB league means you're the end all be all, that's fine by me.

My original point is that simply FB evaluation is more complicated than it seems and it's not correct to assume that the fact that your LB doesn't block the "obvious" man that there is something you need to "fix". A point which you obviously didn't "pick up on".

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
lol, my FB is pretty effective man. I'm perfectly happy with a 2 yard average if all those runs come on 3rd and 1. Your supposed understanding of football has nothing to do with this game. You make a lot of assumptions and then justify them based on things that you can't know for sure are going on. Just because you think you know what should happen on a given play doesn't mean you know for sure what your player in the sim is "seeing". But if you want to believe that having a decent FB in a mediocre BBB league means you're the end all be all, that's fine by me.

My original point is that simply FB evaluation is more complicated than it seems and it's not correct to assume that the fact that your LB doesn't block the "obvious" man that there is something you need to "fix". A point which you obviously didn't "pick up on".

Mediocre BBB league? The top teams are all around the same levels...

I know football, played it for over 15 years at all different levels. I also seem to know how to build a successful FB in this particular game. I also never said I was the be-all, end-all of knowledge regarding FBs. Merely offering advice based on my experiences thus far.

You on the other hand, haven't contributed anything to this thread, except making a vague comment without any reasoning or facts.

As for your "point", looking at the plays the OP showed, it's obvious that his FB is too slow (I'd include vision, but it's the same as my FB and I don't have those issues). He wasn't able to "lead block" anyone effectively on both plays shown.

See there's this concept called "lead blocking", it's primarily the main function of a FB. The FB leads the HB through the hole and blocks the first defender in the gap (regardless of if it's a DL, LB or DB).

Also, I never said the FB is supposed to block people 10 yards downfield (that's merely the optimal situation). They're also not supposed to block DL (that's merely the worst case scenario). They're supposed to block the first threat in the running lane, which under typical conditions is a LB.

I disagree. I don't see how speed has anything to do with the two plays he posted. At least not the FB's speed. The first play, he stops and then turns to seal the edge. Maybe more speed would help him get there faster I suppose, but that's not why he isn't downfield. The second play, it looks to me like he engages the LDE. Hard to say though. I think in general he's blocking who he's supposed to, he may get there faster with more speed, but it also looks like he has some trouble getting good positioning and that may have more to do with his low agility. Either way he's going to mostly be blocking the same players, he'd just be doing a better job of it. Running downfield to block a safety so that the defensive end comes off the block the tight end is throwing isn't or shouldn't happen no matter what you pump skill points into.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=160497&pbp_id=4848551

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
I disagree. I don't see how speed has anything to do with the two plays he posted. At least not the FB's speed. The first play, he stops and then turns to seal the edge. Maybe more speed would help him get there faster I suppose, but that's not why he isn't downfield. The second play, it looks to me like he engages the LDE. Hard to say though. I think in general he's blocking who he's supposed to, he may get there faster with more speed, but it also looks like he has some trouble getting good positioning and that may have more to do with his low agility. Either way he's going to mostly be blocking the same players, he'd just be doing a better job of it. Running downfield to block a safety so that the defensive end comes off the block the tight end is throwing isn't or shouldn't happen no matter what you pump skill points into.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=160497&pbp_id=4848551

Running the ball is reactive. So the HB's cuts and lanes are all dependent on how the blocking is set-up. A faster FB creates the lanes and holes faster than a slower FB. This is where you're not getting it,

On the plays in question it might not have made a ton of difference, but you can't say that for sure. Maybe the same play looks totally different with a faster FB... I'm going to assume my team runs the same exact play, but I rarely see my FB blocking DL. A play is a sum of it's individual parts, the more successful each player does his job, the more successful the play will be.

I showed you a few examples of what a FB with ~50 speed can do. We can all see what a FB with ~30 speed can do in the plays being shown in this thread. There's a huge difference in the effectiveness and TBPH, the biggest differences are the speed and agility.

Originally posted by Warlock
Considering that your FB has zero pancakes, I think his biggest issue is speed. I noticed a vast improvement once I got speed soft capped. I'm thinking that speed can make up for a lack of vision or vice versa, but since that FB is kind of low in both areas, he's not able to use either attribute to compensate for the other. Agility might also be contributing to the problem.

My FB has 96 pancakes through 8 games this season (top 5 for the entire BBB#14) and both HBs are averaging ~7 YPC.

Frankly i believe the speed does wonders for players getting those pancakes
i started my backup FB as a carrier but now have turned to blocking
hense MY FB abillities look a bit even