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SidVicious
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You guys should lay off Randy. This league would suck without him.

Ok, go ahead and say the "this league already sucks" blah blah blah.

Play the hand your dealt.
 
Sarg01
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There are four tiers in EE AAA Alpha. The whole top tier (Misctanbul, Mobile, Gdansk, Kosice and MCXA) could probably compete in Pro, at least with respect to playoff position. Assuming something similar is going on in AAA #2, that means there's at least 8 teams that could be moved up to address the Pro issues.

Of course, as I understand it, those gutted teams have to sell their franchises back for the extra spots to open.
 
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i count 5 ee aaa2 teams who cud compete
 
Kutzy
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USAORG, Hellas, Achaen, and Rhine would be the best from #1 Zeta.
 
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Who really wants to move up without a trophy? Guys have worked to get one and like someone pointed out, without a stadium you are screwed.
 
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Agree with DD on this...
 
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Originally posted by Kutzy
This is something else Randy does not realize but yet he bitches about constantly.

Its hard to build a team with guys you dont know. Its easier to stay in the game if your around guys you get along with. Fox News did not want to keep spening the $200 a month to keep every player on the team and myself and a few guys on my team didnt want to spend the money either. Quick and easy solution was to merge. This kept it much more interesting to us becuase we are around people we get along with and it was much easier on our wallets. Did it hurt some competition? Yes, but when people bitch like a 3 month old baby about it, does not make people regret their decisions.

Eventually things will even out, but until then people need to think of themselves first and everyone else secondary. Im sorry Randy does not agree with me, but then again, I dont care. My money and my time is just that, Mine. I will do what I want with it.


I dont know personally any of the people on my team, but 90% of us are students or graduates of Texas A&M, we all come from a website and I believe I have replaced a grand total of 4 people through 5 Seasons. K(my choice),WR(porky),WR(my choice),DT&DE(both ironhead) and well I think thats it .. oh yeah ,QB(wessimo),QB(my choice). So yes, I dont really know what its like to build a team from scratch. I think 80% of my team has never played a single snap on any other team. Many of them have their own teams now and still stick with me, because Im a good, fair and communicative owner who has always done everything I could for my players and they know that. Its not easy to keep talent when you have numerous single player agents who might get bored, but I have because I touch base with each of them once a week even if they arent chatting on the forums.

But certainly its hard to invest 200$ a month into a game, Im not critisizing that choice, what Im saying is that when the teams who caused there to be gutting are then complaining how crappy the league is, its a bit of a slap in the face. If you made a financial choice to retire some players and not have to boost them anymore and use the money from those retired players to boost this season, thats cool, I understand, I wouldnt pay 200$ a month for this either. But then to come back and laugh about how bad the league is because you offer a home to people who gut from teams that Pro is stuck with, thats not right. And that is what I was complaining about, its not right to organize a gut, offer places for more people to gut and then complain that the league sucks because its full of gut jobs. And it seems that only people who were part of gut jobs were doing it, which isnt right.

Thats about it.

I wasnt planning on playing after this season myself unless something really drastic happens. I had already told my wife that I was done after this season. But if we get a full reorganization, that might keep my interest for a season or two more and make it worth my while and Im only paying about 20$ a month for 7 players (mostly OL thats why )

Also thanks for the support Sid, I just try to do what I can to keep it interesting around here because I have been around here since Day 1 (okay actually Day 18 or so of S1) and I have no interest in any other leagues except for this one.
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Randy03Texags
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Also in my Repo thread I said there is room for 7 highly competitive teams in Alpha and 6 in Zeta .. Ill give Chernobyl and Greek the benefit of the doubt, they are really close to getting there, they need another season in Pro to show what they can do, especially Greek.

So who fills those spots:

Ive seen the following suggested.

-Alpha
1 Krakow Cows AA#4
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2052
2 Misctanbul Crusaders AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=836
3 Mobile Red Elephant Club AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1111
4 Kosice Predators AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=837
5 Gdansk Solidarity AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=828
6 MCXA Cybernationists AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=795


-Zeta
1 Achaean Hellhounds AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2001
2 Rhine Red Raiders AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2005
3 USAORG Vacationers AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=815
4 Hellas Hoplites AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=857
5 EEORG Defectors AAA#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=405



Originally posted by dickdogdandy
Who really wants to move up without a trophy? Guys have worked to get one and like someone pointed out, without a stadium you are screwed.


Yep, but do teams who inherit a Pro team deserve it more or less than a team who has been slugging in out in AAA for several seasons, Id rather a veteran AAA team than some newbie team who stumbled into a great situation with a full Pro stadium and a ton of cash.

Anyhow help me add teams to this list of teams who deserve to come up, then based on level, stadium, cash and playoffs we can help the admins promote the right team. And we cant let Kutzy throw the playoffs just because he doesnt want to promote, as that seems to be his theme
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buttabean
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Krakow will only go up if LBT of AAA2 Alpha goes!
 
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Id love to play Vacationers again!
 
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Originally posted by buttabean
Krakow will only go up if LBT of AAA2 Alpha goes!


Won't happen . They're not quite there level wise yet. We already have one or two of those teams. They're 2-3 seasons of heavy recruiting from pros, especially if they bring up more talented teams to AAA.
 
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Well capones, you know AAA way better than me, who do you add to the list? Is someone on the list that shouldnt be? AAA2 in particular isnt well represented, you could fill in those gaps and be realistic about it.
 
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Originally posted by Randy03Texags
Well capones, you know AAA way better than me, who do you add to the list? Is someone on the list that shouldnt be? AAA2 in particular isnt well represented, you could fill in those gaps and be realistic about it.


I'll try.

Alpha
1)St. Petersburg Piranhas
2)Minsk Berzerkers
3)Ufa Panthers/Tallinn Kings (UFA plays St. Pete in an hour or so...if they win that they stay)

Zeta (It's always a jumbled mess up top, this isn't in any order)
1)Mukachevo Siege
2)Percival Dungeoneers

then a 1/2 tier below
Elancourt Templiers/London Head Hunters

I'm willing to say those are the teams that could come up and compete relatively easily, recruiting would be needed for one two exploitable spots.
 
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Originally posted by Randy03Texags
Originally posted by Kutzy

This is something else Randy does not realize but yet he bitches about constantly.

Its hard to build a team with guys you dont know. Its easier to stay in the game if your around guys you get along with. Fox News did not want to keep spening the $200 a month to keep every player on the team and myself and a few guys on my team didnt want to spend the money either. Quick and easy solution was to merge. This kept it much more interesting to us becuase we are around people we get along with and it was much easier on our wallets. Did it hurt some competition? Yes, but when people bitch like a 3 month old baby about it, does not make people regret their decisions.

Eventually things will even out, but until then people need to think of themselves first and everyone else secondary. Im sorry Randy does not agree with me, but then again, I dont care. My money and my time is just that, Mine. I will do what I want with it.


I dont know personally any of the people on my team, but 90% of us are students or graduates of Texas A&M, we all come from a website and I believe I have replaced a grand total of 4 people through 5 Seasons. K(my choice),WR(porky),WR(my choice),DT&DE(both ironhead) and well I think thats it .. oh yeah ,QB(wessimo),QB(my choice). So yes, I dont really know what its like to build a team from scratch. I think 80% of my team has never played a single snap on any other team. Many of them have their own teams now and still stick with me, because Im a good, fair and communicative owner who has always done everything I could for my players and they know that. Its not easy to keep talent when you have numerous single player agents who might get bored, but I have because I touch base with each of them once a week even if they arent chatting on the forums.

But certainly its hard to invest 200$ a month into a game, Im not critisizing that choice, what Im saying is that when the teams who caused there to be gutting are then complaining how crappy the league is, its a bit of a slap in the face. If you made a financial choice to retire some players and not have to boost them anymore and use the money from those retired players to boost this season, thats cool, I understand, I wouldnt pay 200$ a month for this either. But then to come back and laugh about how bad the league is because you offer a home to people who gut from teams that Pro is stuck with, thats not right. And that is what I was complaining about, its not right to organize a gut, offer places for more people to gut and then complain that the league sucks because its full of gut jobs. And it seems that only people who were part of gut jobs were doing it, which isnt right.

Thats about it.

I wasnt planning on playing after this season myself unless something really drastic happens. I had already told my wife that I was done after this season. But if we get a full reorganization, that might keep my interest for a season or two more and make it worth my while and Im only paying about 20$ a month for 7 players (mostly OL thats why )

Also thanks for the support Sid, I just try to do what I can to keep it interesting around here because I have been around here since Day 1 (okay actually Day 18 or so of S1) and I have no interest in any other leagues except for this one.


It was A LOT easier to build a team from scratch when we started in season one, season two with all the team releases it became harder and season three it became almost impossible.
 
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Can you then check my current list? and give feedback, I basically just took what other people said as fact, I have little knowledge about AAA stuff. I know EE Pro and the movements and history up here pretty well, but other than that, I dont even look at other leagues until the playoffs. Im also one of those people who only watches basketball during the Sweet 16 and playoffs, if then
 
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