Warrior General Games

Originally posted by dvdatm
What do any of you REALLY know about any of the candidates. Unless you work with or around them every day, you probably know nothing. What you PERCEIVE is the picture that the parties paint for you through the media. Anyone can say anything on TV, and America believes it as fact and we are led to believe that we know everything about the major issues.

This was my point as well. By figurehead, I certainly did not mean that the president is not an important role in our government, but if you think for one minute that he/she makes decisions based on what he/she personally believes is right, you're nuts. They make the decisions based on what their parties want/need to a) stay in power and b) stay rich.

I hate to sound like a defeatist, but shit, voting for an independent that has no chance of winning sounds better than voting for someone who has no interest in you and yours (even as they both stare at you on TV and promise that you are all they care about).

There are 2 Independent members in the entire Congress as of now (535 members). And one of them is Lieberman. The I's get no mainstream exposure at all, so they are disadvantaged from the go. As far right and left that these parties are being pulled, you'd think there would be more 3rd party types in office or at least heard from, but the opposite is true. And it doesn't make sense (to me).

money, money, money, money, money, money, money, etc.... Make sense now?

Well, yea, but the money doesn't trickle it's way down to us. I just don't understand how the American public is grossly uninformed on any party other than Dem/Rep. Most see I and freak out without giving them a chance. And more than likely, it's an I that will be closest to ALL of your political leanings.

We are in a metaphorical sensory deprivation chamber with a donkey and an elephant written on the wall all of our lives. There is virtually no escape. If the people who recognize it start acting on it (voting according to what they really think), it might catch on in a few years. That's the only way I see us turning this bus around. I am 'sacrificing' my vote this year in order to hopefully combine with thousands of other people that think this way, and maybe notch a percentage point on a poll somewhere.

Hmmm... McCain is suspending his campaign to "help the economic crisis in Washington." Interesting.

Originally posted by dvdatm
We are in a metaphorical sensory deprivation chamber with a donkey and an elephant written on the wall all of our lives. There is virtually no escape. If the people who recognize it start acting on it (voting according to what they really think), it might catch on in a few years. That's the only way I see us turning this bus around. I am 'sacrificing' my vote this year in order to hopefully combine with thousands of other people that think this way, and maybe notch a percentage point on a poll somewhere.

If nothing else, an independent vote appears to the Rep/Dem as a possible available vote if they were to shift their way of thinking a bit. Hows this for a theory, a liberal independent gets a large number of votes/a conservative independent gets a large number of votes, will not both parties take note and shift in that direction next time around in order to secure some of those votes?

Originally posted by Kono22
Hmmm... McCain is suspending his campaign to "help the economic crisis in Washington." Interesting.

He's a year too late....

Originally posted by Admerylous
The idiocy of Sen. Obama?

I'd be willing to wager that Obama would be considered the more intelligent of the two candidates. Not an attack on McCain by any means, just an acknowledgment of Obama's accomplishments and ability.



#1 Just curious... What accomplishments of Barack Hussein Obama, while a United States Senator, are you referring to?

#2 if you consider someone who has used drugs (Cocaine and Marijuana) intelligent then I'm not sure your opinion would count for much. (Barack Hussein Obama admitted to having used Marijuana and Cocaine in his 1995 book, Dreams from My Father.)

#3 It didn't work the last time the democrats tried to elect one of the most liberal politicians (John Kerry). Now, according to the national journal, they try to have the most liberal senator with Barack Hussein Obama as the Democrats choice for President. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

Originally posted by hutchins929

#2 if you consider someone who has used drugs (Cocaine and Marijuana) intelligent then I'm not sure your opinion would count for much. (Barack Hussein Obama admitted to having used Marijuana and Cocaine in his 1995 book, Dreams from My Father.)


At least it's a shred of honesty coming from a politician.

Originally posted by Maxnsam
Originally posted by dvdatm

We are in a metaphorical sensory deprivation chamber with a donkey and an elephant written on the wall all of our lives. There is virtually no escape. If the people who recognize it start acting on it (voting according to what they really think), it might catch on in a few years. That's the only way I see us turning this bus around. I am 'sacrificing' my vote this year in order to hopefully combine with thousands of other people that think this way, and maybe notch a percentage point on a poll somewhere.

If nothing else, an independent vote appears to the Rep/Dem as a possible available vote if they were to shift their way of thinking a bit. Hows this for a theory, a liberal independent gets a large number of votes/a conservative independent gets a large number of votes, will not both parties take note and shift in that direction next time around in order to secure some of those votes?



Yes, but (unfortunately) I think you're giving the average American too much credit in terms of caring and taking the initiative to find out about other options for themselves.

We're spoon fed all this BS by a mass media who are run by large corporations who have significant financial interests in the outcome of elections. And independents are unknown, so while these companies could be fine, they may not be, so the fear of the unknown doesn't encourage them to promote the little guys.

That's a pretty cynical view, but you gotta think there's something to it. Why else doesn't the news media call both parties liars when they're full of shit? Watching politics is a full time job for some of these people, so they should have all this information and be able to call a spade a spade, and not get run around be half-truths or even out-right lies.

I think the internet is helping this to an extent, but it also exacerbates the problem, by promoting the false statements. But people have to go do something on their own, more than open that email from a friend, or turn on the TV. And most people in this country don't/won't do that.

I'd love for the election process in this country to be dramatically overhauled. The 2 party system is broken and the current election process doesn't help it.

Oh, and I personally think that McCain's campaign suspension is a desperate political move, rather than genuine concern for the economy. He's already stated that the economy is not his strongest subject. Early last week, he thought the economy was fine, then it was in dire straits, and now that it sounds like capital hill is getting close to getting something accomplished, he wants to go back and try to take credit for it. So I just read that McCain hasn't voted in the senate since April. WTF has he been doing since then? No one heard anything about him hardly until the democrats figured out in late july that Obama was going to be the nominee, should he have been in the senate doing his damn job until then? But now he wants to go back?

Seriously, how can anyone NOT view that as a political ploy since his poll numbers are down?

Thanks,
StickMan

Originally posted by Stickman
Oh, and I personally think that McCain's campaign suspension is a desperate political move, rather than genuine concern for the economy. He's already stated that the economy is not his strongest subject. Early last week, he thought the economy was fine, then it was in dire straits, and now that it sounds like capital hill is getting close to getting something accomplished, he wants to go back and try to take credit for it. So I just read that McCain hasn't voted in the senate since April. WTF has he been doing since then? No one heard anything about him hardly until the democrats figured out in late july that Obama was going to be the nominee, should he have been in the senate doing his damn job until then? But now he wants to go back?

Seriously, how can anyone NOT view that as a political ploy since his poll numbers are down?

Thanks,
StickMan


Maybe you haven't noticed, but his numbers have been trending up since Palin was introduced and he is now equal with Obama in several polls.

Also, I think this is a brilliantly Rovian move to show his "dedication to the American people" and paints Obama very badly indeed if Obama does not follow suit. Even if he does, people will still say Obama is only following suit and saving face in light of McCain's putting the country's economy above his own personal political success.

In sum, I take the exact opposite view of today's political landscape.

Originally posted by hutchins929
Originally posted by Admerylous

The idiocy of Sen. Obama?

I'd be willing to wager that Obama would be considered the more intelligent of the two candidates. Not an attack on McCain by any means, just an acknowledgment of Obama's accomplishments and ability.



#1 Just curious... What accomplishments of Barack Hussein Obama, while a United States Senator, are you referring to?

#2 if you consider someone who has used drugs (Cocaine and Marijuana) intelligent then I'm not sure your opinion would count for much. (Barack Hussein Obama admitted to having used Marijuana and Cocaine in his 1995 book, Dreams from My Father.)

#3 It didn't work the last time the democrats tried to elect one of the most liberal politicians (John Kerry). Now, according to the national journal, they try to have the most liberal senator with Barack Hussein Obama as the Democrats choice for President. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/


#1 - be sure to include his middle name so we think he's a terrorist.
#2 - our last two presidents admitted drug use as well. and do understand how prevalent drug use is in our country. there are countless geniuses that have admitted smoking pot at the very least.
#3 - did you get that fact forwarded to you in an e-mail?

Originally posted by tjking82


Maybe you haven't noticed, but his numbers have been trending up since Palin was introduced and he is now equal with Obama in several polls.

Also, I think this is a brilliantly Rovian move to show his "dedication to the American people" and paints Obama very badly indeed if Obama does not follow suit. Even if he does, people will still say Obama is only following suit and saving face in light of McCain's putting the country's economy above his own personal political success.

In sum, I take the exact opposite view of today's political landscape.

his numbers have been trending down since all of this economic stuff has started happening, especially since he's admittedly not that strong on the economy. plus his campaign manager gets paid by fannie mae or freddy mac, i forget which. either way, it makes him seem like "old washington" and part of the problem.

Originally posted by hutchins929

#1 Just curious... What accomplishments of Barack Hussein Obama, while a United States Senator, are you referring to?

#2 if you consider someone who has used drugs (Cocaine and Marijuana) intelligent then I'm not sure your opinion would count for much. (Barack Hussein Obama admitted to having used Marijuana and Cocaine in his 1995 book, Dreams from My Father.)

#3 It didn't work the last time the democrats tried to elect one of the most liberal politicians (John Kerry). Now, according to the national journal, they try to have the most liberal senator with Barack Hussein Obama as the Democrats choice for President. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/



My post was claiming that Obama is likely more intelligent than McCain.
I don't understand why you're trying to limit the criteria explicitly to his time as a senator.
I mean, the guy only went to Columbia and Harvard. Taught Constitutional Law in Chicago. Chaired the Health and Human Services Committee in the Illinois Senate. Was a champion of some of the more productive bi-partisan legislation while in the Illinois Senate. He's also introduced nearly 300 bills during his time in the U.S. Senate, and cosponsored close to 1,000 others. Served as a member on Veteran, Foreign, Homeland Security, Health, Education and Labor Senate Committees. He also wrote another book, The Audacity of Hope, which I personally found to be quite levelheaded, sincere and bipartisan. I could go on but I'm starting to get an erection.

He has the innate ability to encourage people to attempt to reconcile or set aside differences for the sake of creating positive change and solutions to the problems before us.

And on to your other points:

While I've never personally used illegal drugs, some of the most brilliant people I know have. Obama participated/experimented with them decades ago; so what? I'm sure you voted for Bush. He's a moron AND an ex-drug user. GASP!!!

And for your third point, what the fuck are you talking about?
Why are you using a reply to my post feigned as a chance to get on your little fucking soap box? If you want to spout your anti-liberal bullshit, do it. Don't try to disguise it as something constructive, though.

Oh and I genuinely believe that the fact Obama's middle name is Hussein really makes you think less of him. By using it over and over and over again you hope it will get other people's skin to crawl just like yours does. You are so pathetic.