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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
A&M doesn't have our financial capabilities and is already hurting due to financial mismanagement.

Our A.D. made almost a $3M profit last year, which should increase this year.

Originally posted by RayRay99
Our A.D. made almost a $3M profit last year, which should increase this year.

You also recently had to borrow from your Academic Department, have to pay Sherman upward of 8M, pay Sumlin his contract, pay the Big 12 exit fees, and pay increased travel expenses. On top of that, A&M has plans for a 100+ million dollar expansion to Kyle Field.

And this isn't just about money. The athletes we are talking about, especially the non-football athletes, are also students. They will be spending more time on buses and planes now instead of having the opportunity to study and go to class. By making the decision to go to the SEC, your AD hurt your non-revenue sport athletes. The fact that your AD and HC were against the move, which was pushed through by your President at the behest of big boosters just shows that it was a poor decision.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
You also recently had to borrow from your Academic Department, have to pay Sherman upward of 8M, pay Sumlin his contract, pay the Big 12 exit fees, and pay increased travel expenses. On top of that, A&M has plans for a 100+ million dollar expansion to Kyle Field.

And this isn't just about money. The athletes we are talking about, especially the non-football athletes, are also students. They will be spending more time on buses and planes now instead of having the opportunity to study and go to class. By making the decision to go to the SEC, your AD hurt your non-revenue sport athletes. The fact that your AD and HC were against the move, which was pushed through by your President at the behest of big boosters just shows that it was a poor decision.

The infamous loan has been paid off, the money we owe sherman will be lessened by the cash he makes as an NFL OC next season, Sumlin is only making $2M a year, the amount of Big XII exit fees will not be staggering, and again, the increased travel expenses have been discussed here already and are moot.

The average SEC school is around 100 miles further than the average Big 12 school. A commercial airliner flies at 500 MPH. This increases our flight time 12 minutes. What have we done?!?!?!111 THINK OF THE CHILDREN PRESIDENT LOFTIN!!!!

Originally posted by RayRay99
The infamous loan has been paid off, the money we owe sherman will be lessened by the cash he makes as an NFL OC next season, Sumlin is only making $2M a year, the amount of Big XII exit fees will not be staggering, and again, the increased travel expenses have been discussed here already and are moot.

The average SEC school is around 100 miles further than the average Big 12 school. A commercial airliner flies at 500 MPH. This increases our flight time 12 minutes. What have we done?!?!?!111 THINK OF THE CHILDREN PRESIDENT LOFTIN!!!!

You never actually addressed the travel expenses and time. And claiming that the average SEC school is only 100 miles farther doesn't address that issue. You need to look at the total distance of all the schools and take into account the method, cost, and time of travel. You also have to take into account the conferences as they were when A&M made the decision in order to evaluate that decision. So WVU and TCU's presences in the Big 12 and Mizzou's presence in the SEC don't become a part of the evaluation.

Baton Rouge to College Station - 363 miles (6 hours)
Fayettville to College Station - 519 miles (8 hours 30 minutes)
Starkville to College Station - 608 miles (10 hours)
Oxford to College Station - 656 miles (10 hours 20 minutes)
Tuscaloosa to College Station - 665 miles (10 hours 30 minutes)
Auburn to College Station - 780 miles (12 hours 12 minutes)
Nashville to College Station - 782 miles (12 hours and 36 minutes)
Athens to College Station - 933 miles (15 hours)
Gainsville to College Station - 954 miles (15 hours)
Knoxville to College Station - 975 miles (15 hours and 15 minutes)
Lexington to College Station -992 miles (16 hours)
Columbia, SC to College Station - 1075 miles (17 hours)
Average: 775 miles
Total: 9302 miles


Waco 92
Austin 107
Norman 358
Stillwater 436
Lubbock 441
Lawrence 656
Manhattan 659
Columbia 779
Ames 929
Average: 495
Total: 4457

So over twice the total distance and almost 300 more miles on average per trip. But those numbers are deceptive. What you really need to look at is the total number of long and short trips. In the SEC, you have 13 trips over 500 miles, 7 over 700 miles, and 5 over 900 miles. In the Big 12, you have 4 over 500 miles, 2 over 700 miles, and 1 over 900 miles. Basically, you have the outlier of Ames acting to screw up the averages and total distance, but that is just one trip. In contrast, in the SEC most of your trips are about that distance.

I don't really care about any of the TX schools, tbh. I do have a question, though.

Does part of A&Ms deal with the SEC state that they get no conference games at home? For every long trip A&M has to take to a current SEC school, there's a SEC school making a long trip to A&M.

As for cost, I don't know the details of the Big 12 TV contract but the SEC TV contract is pretty lucrative.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
I don't really care about any of the TX schools, tbh. I do have a question, though.

Does part of A&Ms deal with the SEC state that they get no conference games at home? For every long trip A&M has to take to a current SEC school, there's a SEC school making a long trip to A&M.

As for cost, I don't know the details of the Big 12 TV contract but the SEC TV contract is pretty lucrative.

The sips and Baylor would have you believe we are leaving the state of Texas altogether. In all seriousness, there will be added expense of going further distances, but it will not necessarily increase travel time. Many of the schools we play now (sips, Baylor, Oklahoma, Okie St.) we bus to instead of fly. By flying to our new foes the time restraints are negligible.

As for money...

Originally posted by
In 2010, the Big 12 distributed $139 million between member institutions. As most of you are aware, the Big 12 does not distribute television money equally. According to Texas A&M financial documents, their portion of the conference distribution was $9.3 million, not including bowl game reimbursements. Meanwhile, over in the SEC $209 million was distributed equally between member institutions in 2010 for a total of $17.42 million each, not including bowl reimbursements.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/08/19/economic-impact-of-texas-am-moving-to-sec/

Not to mention when the SEC renegotiates its rights we will likely earn MUCH more:

Originally posted by
There is the potential for a much larger “per member share” should the SEC renegotiate its Tier I television rights now that it has added that states of Texas and Missouri (which include about about 10 million cable households alone) to its footprint. The school believes those renegotiated TV deals could earn Missouri up to $12 million more per year than it currently makes with the Big 12. (If those numbers are correct: $17 million plus $12 million would equal $29 million per SEC school under a new contract.

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/10/internal-report-mizzou-studies-money-academic-ramifications-of-move-to-sec/

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
You never actually addressed the travel expenses and time. And claiming that the average SEC school is only 100 miles farther doesn't address that issue. You need to look at the total distance of all the schools and take into account the method, cost, and time of travel. You also have to take into account the conferences as they were when A&M made the decision in order to evaluate that decision. So WVU and TCU's presences in the Big 12 and Mizzou's presence in the SEC don't become a part of the evaluation.

Baton Rouge to College Station - 363 miles (6 hours)
Fayettville to College Station - 519 miles (8 hours 30 minutes)
Starkville to College Station - 608 miles (10 hours)
Oxford to College Station - 656 miles (10 hours 20 minutes)
Tuscaloosa to College Station - 665 miles (10 hours 30 minutes)
Auburn to College Station - 780 miles (12 hours 12 minutes)
Nashville to College Station - 782 miles (12 hours and 36 minutes)
Athens to College Station - 933 miles (15 hours)
Gainsville to College Station - 954 miles (15 hours)
Knoxville to College Station - 975 miles (15 hours and 15 minutes)
Lexington to College Station -992 miles (16 hours)
Columbia, SC to College Station - 1075 miles (17 hours)
Average: 775 miles
Total: 9302 miles


Waco 92
Austin 107
Norman 358
Stillwater 436
Lubbock 441
Lawrence 656
Manhattan 659
Columbia 779
Ames 929
Average: 495
Total: 4457

So over twice the total distance and almost 300 more miles on average per trip. But those numbers are deceptive. What you really need to look at is the total number of long and short trips. In the SEC, you have 13 trips over 500 miles, 7 over 700 miles, and 5 over 900 miles. In the Big 12, you have 4 over 500 miles, 2 over 700 miles, and 1 over 900 miles. Basically, you have the outlier of Ames acting to screw up the averages and total distance, but that is just one trip. In contrast, in the SEC most of your trips are about that distance.


Now that the official 2012 schedules are out, here is what a Houston recruit's parents should expect to travel if they want to see their child play every game (one way):

A&M

McNeese at Kyle-96
Florida at Kyle-96
SMU at Dallas-241
OOC at Kyle-96
Arkansas at Kyle - 96
Ole Miss at Oxford-602
OOC at Kyle-96
LSU at Kyle-96
Auburn at Auburn-687
MS State at Starkville-568
Bama at Tuscaloosa-615
Mizzou at Kyle-96

Total Miles 3385

t.u.

Wyoming in Austin-162
New Mexico in Austin-162
Miss at Oxford-602
Iowa State in Austin-162
OU in Dallas-241
OSU in Stillwater-508
Baylor in Austin-162
Kansas in Lawrence-757
Tech in Lubbock-531
WVU in Austin-162
KState in Manhattan-730
TCU in Austin-162

Total Miles-4341

Note that the sips play both Iowa St. AND West Virginia at home, so those "outliers" cannot be used to spin it away.

Now do it from where the cream of the crop talent is. DFW. Also, this crap does not matter one bit for football. It matters for non revenue sports.

Being a bottom dweller in the SEC is going to do a lot more damage to aTm than distance traveled. Also, not being associated with the other Texas schools. I could care less about the travel.

Ray Ray you guys are gonna get good recruits no matter what some UT fans want to proclaim. You will get a few you wouldn't because you are in the SEC, and you will lose a few because you are not in the Big12. Honestly kids in Houston do not count as Houston is an SEC/Longhorn town. Both you and us will get good kids out of the area.

Originally posted by BuddyHorn
Now do it from where the cream of the crop talent is. DFW. Also, this crap does not matter one bit for football. It matters for non revenue sports.

A&M

McNeese at Kyle-183
Florida at Kyle-183
SMU at Dallas-0
OOC at Kyle-183
Arkansas at Kyle - 183
Ole Miss at Oxford-534
OOC at Kyle-183
LSU at Kyle-183
Auburn at Auburn-700
MS State at Starkville-526
Bama at Tuscaloosa-584
Mizzou at Kyle-183

Total Miles 3625

t.u.

Wyoming in Austin-199
New Mexico in Austin-199
Miss at Oxford-534
Iowa State in Austin-199
OU in Dallas-0
OSU in Stillwater-270
Baylor in Austin-199
Kansas in Lawrence-520
Tech in Lubbock-349
WVU in Austin-199
KState in Manhattan-495
TCU in Austin-199

Total Miles-3362

Even for Dallas families the difference is minimal.

As far as recruiting goes, we both recruit well in Houston and Dallas naturally. We have been recruiting Houston and East Texas much better as of late, and with Sumlin's ties in Houston and can only see it improving. As for this year's class, expect us to land Thomas Johnson, Polo Manukainiu, and Tommie Mark and either Jacoby Briscoe or Dalton Santos to round out the class, which should bump us to around the 6th best class in the country.

Originally posted by BuddyHorn
Being a bottom dweller in the SEC is going to do a lot more damage to aTm than distance traveled.

Sips seem to have a short-term memory when is assumes we will be bottom dwellers in the SEC. Let's compare:

Going into the Big XII, the previous 10 years for the sips had been mediocrity laced with a couple of decent seasons in a very weak SWC. Over that 10 year span, the sips accumulated 65 wins. They were merging with the Big 8 and powerhouses like Nebraska, there was no way they could compete!

Going into the SEC, the previous 10 years for the Ags have been mediocrity laced with a couple of decent seasons in a strong Big XII. Over that 10 year span, the Ags accumulated 64 wins. They are merging with the SEC and powerhouses like LSU and Alabama. There is no way they can compete!

I'm pretty sure Oregon is going to pay more for Thomas Johnson than you can.

also, lol at comparing UT to aggy.

Originally posted by RayRay99
Sips seem to have a short-term memory when is assumes we will be bottom dwellers in the SEC. Let's compare:

Going into the Big XII, the previous 10 years for the sips had been mediocrity laced with a couple of decent seasons in a very weak SWC. Over that 10 year span, the sips accumulated 65 wins. They were merging with the Big 8 and powerhouses like Nebraska, there was no way they could compete!

Going into the SEC, the previous 10 years for the Ags have been mediocrity laced with a couple of decent seasons in a strong Big XII. Over that 10 year span, the Ags accumulated 64 wins. They are merging with the SEC and powerhouses like LSU and Alabama. There is no way they can compete!


I do not blame you for creating reasons to have faith. You have to cling to something.

Originally posted by BuddyHorn

I do not blame you for creating reasons to have faith. You have to cling to something.


It is amazing the sips exude so much arrogance after getting donkey punched by Baylor(x2), K-State(x2), Iowa St., and Missou the past 2 years. Y'all can't live off the past forever...