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Originally posted by onemiln09



I'd have to agree with him on the East Texas comment. I am going to assume they are here based on the 16-0 conference record which they out leveled their opponents by an avg of 8. Hell we beat said 7-9 Gold and lost many,LOL close ones to some top 10 teams..

Don't forget about your Copper loss... ^^; Sorry had to say it. <3

Originally posted by nlthorne
Don't forget about your Copper loss... ^^; Sorry had to say it. <3

Oh no I havent forgotten,LOL. Its all good.

Originally posted by NEXT
Wow.
First, you take this stuff a little more serious than everyone else.
Second, if you want to argue that Final Thought ISNT deserving... look at the teams we blew out. DoRD, DTMCF, Saviors, Butte, Crossroads, Patriots, Midgets... many teams that are very underrated.

This is for discussion, is it not? Everyone has an opinion. The DSBM were attacked for a high ranking, so I defended our group. We work hard at it, and our performance speaks for itself. You want to talk about the teams you beat? DTMCF is really down this year. You beat the Saviours, but who have they beaten -- one good win 10-7 over Gamecocks (a team with many losses as well). Butte -- you call it a quality win. I say who have they beaten to be deserving of being a top caliber team? Crossroads? I look at their scrims and see lots of "L's." Midgets are a quality team, but have 2 losses in conference (by more than a few points) and lack a recent quality scrim win. Patriots? Nothing real impressive on their schedule either. I didn't say they aren't deserving of being ranked high, but #2? Where's the victories over a team that repeatedly shows up in the top 3 or 4 (DI, Andro, MMD, etc.?).

Originally posted by middawg

W/L Against Playoff Caliber Gold Teams - Nuff Said

Andro - 3-0
MMD - 1-1
FT - 1-1
DSBM - 1-2
DI - 0-3

Good argument, but at least 2 of those 3 wins came against teams that are probably not as good as the top 4 or 5 Silver teams. Several of the other teams all played ATL, so you have some comparison between them. Like I said, Andro is definitely deserving of the top spot, but you can make an argument for someone else. This is "Silver" rankings afterall, and I'd like to see Andro matchup against some of the other top Silver teams. I see nothing wrong with listing them at #1 though.

I'm not sure I could put the top teams in order. I might could give an edge to a team in a particular game, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the other team win. I think you can safely say that Andro, DI, MMD, and DSBM are worthy of being the top 4 teams though -- just not sure what order to put them all in.

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Originally posted by juiceweezl
This is for discussion, is it not? Everyone has an opinion. The DSBM were attacked for a high ranking, so I defended our group. We work hard at it, and our performance speaks for itself. You want to talk about the teams you beat? DTMCF is really down this year. You beat the Saviours, but who have they beaten -- one good win 10-7 over Gamecocks (a team with many losses as well). Butte -- you call it a quality win. I say who have they beaten to be deserving of being a top caliber team? Crossroads? I look at their scrims and see lots of "L's." Midgets are a quality team, but have 2 losses in conference (by more than a few points) and lack a recent quality scrim win. Patriots? Nothing real impressive on their schedule either. I didn't say they aren't deserving of being ranked high, but #2? Where's the victories over a team that repeatedly shows up in the top 3 or 4 (DI, Andro, MMD, etc.?).



I like how you skip over the DoRD game....

Tombstone has a loss to DI and that's basically it. If you're going to be #4, play someone.(quote)

Some of the teams we have beat probably wouldn't appreciate you basically calling them, nobody.



http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=782581 (Gold Playoff team)

2-0 vs. Gold league teams, sure Maters is having an off year but still. But come on, it's not like we haven't played anyone. I accepted every scrimmage that came my way. But when I sent out the challenges, there were a few teams that didn't want to play us.

I could care less where Tombstone is ranked on that list, I just think it's cool that we're on it period.

Originally posted by PING72
I like how you skip over the DoRD game....

DoRD is still a good team but has a handful of losses this year. Back it up by beating someone else on the list. Basically I guess I'm saying that the teams at the top should play each other so we can all see. It's like this. Basically everyone thinks that DI and MMD are at/near the top. DSBM beat DI and lost to MMD by a FG while still trying to figure out the AI with the new OC (me). We have some other good wins too, but the point is there is a direct comparison against other teams at the top. Where are those games for you?

Originally posted by juiceweezl
Originally posted by middawg


W/L Against Playoff Caliber Gold Teams - Nuff Said

Andro - 3-0
MMD - 1-1
FT - 1-1
DSBM - 1-2
DI - 0-3

Good argument, but at least 2 of those 3 wins came against teams that are probably not as good as the top 4 or 5 Silver teams. Several of the other teams all played ATL, so you have some comparison between them. Like I said, Andro is definitely deserving of the top spot, but you can make an argument for someone else. This is "Silver" rankings afterall, and I'd like to see Andro matchup against some of the other top Silver teams. I see nothing wrong with listing them at #1 though.

I'm not sure I could put the top teams in order. I might could give an edge to a team in a particular game, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the other team win. I think you can safely say that Andro, DI, MMD, and DSBM are worthy of being the top 4 teams though -- just not sure what order to put them all in.



Insane Asylum is as good if not better than the top Silver teams, 14 Gold wins is a testament to that, anything said to the contrary is ludicris.

Gold teams Andro defeated have a combined Gold record of 39-9

Originally posted by juiceweezl
Are you trying to say DSBM isn't a top team? Curious as to what you're basing that on. Yes, HC beat us by 2 points, but then got destroyed in a tournament game. HC played us twice and has a total of 0 TD's in both games combined. We lost by a FG to MMD. Squirrels beat us by one score. During this time, we broke in a brand new (as in never even looked at the offense stuff until this season) offensive coordinator. The DSBM beat a good gold team, and played another (ATL) very, very tough -- much tougher than the final scored showed. Again, all of that was done before I really got a grip on the offensive AI. We also beat DI by a few scores and won the other games we were supposed to win.

So, if you don't think they should be up there, I'm curious to see why. We'll be happy to line up against HC again be it in the playoffs or not. We don't back down from anyone and are looking forward to a rematch with the Squirrels. We'd like to avenge that loss as well.

Carry on!

Fluke losses are losses none the less! I dont care if you were breaking in a new OC or had an established one, that's just an excuse. If you think you deserve the #2 ranking then tell my why you belong ahead of teams that have beat you or have no losses... Im not saying you are not a top team... I'm not say HCP belongs on that list and not you... I am saying you are NOT the second best team in Pee Wee. There is a potential rubber match for bragging rights between us... if you get past the Ninja Squirrels.

And please, for all of our sakes, stop making excuses for every loss. Stand up like a man and say you got beat! Or dont say anything at all.

Originally posted by LordEvil
1) Andromedia
2) Darma
3) Mississippi Mud Dogs
4) Tombstone Outlaws
5) Final Thought
6) East Texas
7) Crib Midgets
8) Deep South Baby Makers
9) Fighting Gamecocks
10) Philadelphia Fightin' Fuzz
11) Montpellier Wildcats
12) Traveling Wilburys
13) Monger Scumdogs
14) South Park Cows
15) Boston Patriots

Really?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=768663

Good list overall though.

Originally posted by Gigolo Johnny D.
Fluke losses are losses none the less! I dont care if you were breaking in a new OC or had an established one, that's just an excuse. If you think you deserve the #2 ranking then tell my why you belong ahead of teams that have beat you or have no losses... Im not saying you are not a top team... I'm not say HCP belongs on that list and not you... I am saying you are NOT the second best team in Pee Wee. There is a potential rubber match for bragging rights between us... if you get past the Ninja Squirrels.

And please, for all of our sakes, stop making excuses for every loss. Stand up like a man and say you got beat! Or dont say anything at all.

Find an excuse. There was none. We played, we loss. Along the way we broke in a new OC and learned from the game. We rematched and beat the hell out of your team. 2 games against you -- ZERO touchdowns allowed. You won 9-7 first, and we won 35-3 the next time. I'll let that speak for itself. Losing by a FG to a team like MMD is legit. Beating Dharma by 14 is legit. Those are teams considered at the top of Silver. I didn't say we deserve the #2 ranking. Read where I posted about teams that I thought were the top 4 but no way to put them in order. Teams that have no losses typically haven't played anyone. There is that much balance in PeeWee. If you wanted me to rank them, I'd say Andro #1, and then MMD #2, DSBM #3, and DI #4. I would have no problem with it being DI #2, MMD #3, and DSBM #4 though either. You could flip a coin I think to determine who wins the game between any of those 3 teams. Not sure how they'll stack up to Andro, but hopefully we'll see. DSBM is happy to just be considered a top team by most people. We work hard and think we deserve that honor.

As for a rubber match, we'll work hard to get past the Squirrels and hopefully do so. Time will tell. They are a good team and have a good game plan. If we get to play you guys again, we'll be ready. The staff takes every game seriously from this point forward. Good luck to you regardless of a rematch or not.

Oh, and glad I could spark such interesting discussion. We need more league challenges to spur on the debate!

I proved last season that I would scrimmage any team that was interested. If someone wants to take me out of the top three, I will take on ANYONE with a legitimate shot it doing so.

If you don't want to play because it is playoffs, then accept your position. I play in the afternoon (server time), so I will take any games at the end of the day or before noon on a playoff day or anytime on a non game day.

Here is my resume:

Regular season wins: 16
Scrimmage wins: 15
Scrimmage losses: 4*
Atlanta
DSBM
SBWL
HHM - game did not count as thunder and I both agreed in advance

Hey Monger, I said "teams with a legitimate shot" should send the offer.

Just kidding, good luck!