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Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by jrry32

So 2 wrongs obviously make a right?

Neither is wrong. If you think changing things overall to push this game to a closer sim of real football is a worthy goal, have at it. You won't get there, though. Ultimately, there's a couple giant, glaring, 800 lb gorillas in the game mechanics room that will stop you. The gorillas are named "Human Intervention" and "Spatial adaptation" - Game doesn't have the first one, and is terrible at the 2nd.

But villifying people for using perfectly legal game mechanics in the most productive way possible is simply stupid, no matter your purpose. It's doing these kinds of things that ultimately help the game - some people do it while others try to stop it, with the prize a little .jpg and some internet e-glory. The meta-game evolves.

And, by the way, if it's ultimately helping by running a fundamentally bad game into the ground, so be it!

No but I think trying to change GLB for the better is a good goal. I like the game and want it be better, there will always be some things to exploit but there always sensible solutions on how to fix them. And just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. I just don't like seeing games with 40 screens and the DEs instantly getting through the OL because the blocking mechanics and d pathing are horrible. Sadly, if you don't use these things, your team won't be near as successful as it can be.

Originally posted by jrry32
No but I think trying to change GLB for the better is a good goal. I like the game and want it be better, there will always be some things to exploit but there always sensible solutions on how to fix them. And just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. I just don't like seeing games with 40 screens and the DEs instantly getting through the OL because the blocking mechanics and d pathing are horrible. Sadly, if you don't use these things, your team won't be near as successful as it can be.

1 - And just because something is legal, doesn't make it right.
Yes, yes it does, especially in a game. You cannot tell balance on many game mechanics without having players using the mechanics and trying to optimize their play. Sometimes you can tell, though, such as...


The screen thing is 100% Outside Blocker. I mean, seriously, +30% to 4 different stats? This is the place to start. Halve it, at least, and then let the players play a season and see where things lie.

Finally, on the DE thing - Track is essentially right. The RDE over the LG thing doesn't matter for many matchups. Examples - MM's DEs were beating his D-line no matter what. If you notice, Bonn's 2 sacks of MEM were on normal D-line setups - the RDE over the LG thing didn't work often. As far as I can tell over the numerous teams I monitor, the RDE over the LG thing is only working now on extreme mismatches between those two positions. Tough.

Fucking VAs are garbage.

'So which of the prophets comes? Enoch, the scribe of holiness? Yahweh has not allowed him to descend until six thousand years are completed. Elijah, the avenger? You told me that he does not come down here before the end. What will I do if I am to be destroyed by Yahweh? I feel that already the end is near, for I know the number of years that I have!'

"But when the Devil finally perceived that the Logos of the Father had come down, he said, 'Hell, don't be afraid! We will lock the gates and fortify the bars. This is not Yah that comes down.' And Hell cried out, 'Where, oh where will we hide ourselves from the face of Yahweh, the greatest king? Do not keep me from hiding; I was created before you!'

Originally posted by morid
I don't think we are better. I think we are a good match up and it can go either way anytime we play!

It seems a few teams just pasted bullseyes on our HBs this season. Hopefully, we can get our fumbling problems figured out by the playoffs. Not to mention stopping people on clutch first down plays.

Great game though. You guys made the plays when it mattered both and i can't tell you how frustrating it was to see you guys complete those 3rd down plays when i thought you were going to have to punt. D'oh!

Originally posted by kurieg
1 - And just because something is legal, doesn't make it right.
Yes, yes it does, especially in a game. You cannot tell balance on many game mechanics without having players using the mechanics and trying to optimize their play. Sometimes you can tell, though, such as...


The screen thing is 100% Outside Blocker. I mean, seriously, +30% to 4 different stats? This is the place to start. Halve it, at least, and then let the players play a season and see where things lie.

Finally, on the DE thing - Track is essentially right. The RDE over the LG thing doesn't matter for many matchups. Examples - MM's DEs were beating his D-line no matter what. If you notice, Bonn's 2 sacks of MEM were on normal D-line setups - the RDE over the LG thing didn't work often. As far as I can tell over the numerous teams I monitor, the RDE over the LG thing is only working now on extreme mismatches between those two positions. Tough.

Outside blocker AND Scat Back actually, and defensively the only thing that needs changing is QBs (yes QBs). Zones wouldn't be so overpowered if QBs made even half assed decisions.

Also, I agree it isn't wrong to run either of these. There is a point though where I would just call it abuse (All of S8 for example)

I can understand why people get grumpy over the DE thing. Finding plays that work and running them over and over is just how this game is going to be, though. The only type of negative feedback in the sim is the repeat play penalty, and it's not a really good one (it doesn't even care if the repeated play worked or not.) This type of game setup heavily favors whoever's attacking - and D-lines get to attack on passing downs.

Simple fact is, either the game will have no sacks because pass rushing is too hard, or there will be teams who put up ridiculous sack numbers because they're the best at it and O-lines make no adjustments during a game.

Originally posted by kurieg
I can understand why people get grumpy over the DE thing. Finding plays that work and running them over and over is just how this game is going to be, though. The only type of negative feedback in the sim is the repeat play penalty, and it's not a really good one (it doesn't even care if the repeated play worked or not.) This type of game setup heavily favors whoever's attacking - and D-lines get to attack on passing downs.

Simple fact is, either the game will have no sacks because pass rushing is too hard, or there will be teams who put up ridiculous sack numbers because they're the best at it and O-lines make no adjustments during a game.



ironically one of the best counters to a crazy blitzing DE is HB Screen which has such a negative rub on it now... but if that LDE decides to go 100% passive expecting screens (and it works, haha, that never happens - shitty slider imo), then OC can throw in some regular pass play counters and tear the defense up w/ big plays downfield.

It's a catch 22 for DC's and I'm damn glad I'm not one

Originally posted by Doomsday
'So which of the prophets comes? Enoch, the scribe of holiness? Yahweh has not allowed him to descend until six thousand years are completed. Elijah, the avenger? You told me that he does not come down here before the end. What will I do if I am to be destroyed by Yahweh? I feel that already the end is near, for I know the number of years that I have!'

"But when the Devil finally perceived that the Logos of the Father had come down, he said, 'Hell, don't be afraid! We will lock the gates and fortify the bars. This is not Yah that comes down.' And Hell cried out, 'Where, oh where will we hide ourselves from the face of Yahweh, the greatest king? Do not keep me from hiding; I was created before you!'


I don't know what that was all about but Enoch is a Hound, fyi.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=64582

google places it from the Gospel of Bartholomew

Originally posted by wsdp
google places it from the Gospel of Bartholomew

Oh, I get it. That Bible is full of hidden messages. And we all now Bort is derived from Bart which is short for Bartholomew, so I guess Bort is the Chosen One?

Damn... I thought this was a GG thread......

Originally posted by morid
Damn... I thought this was a GG thread......

If you mean God is Great thread, then yes, you've come to the right place.

GG DCD.

You should have ran it more.

nice offense Trav...