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It didn't cost us no where NEAR 12 million lol how in the hell do you get that? And my goal is to have the highest players I can have and even if it was as small as 300 xp as you say id do it again?
And to the other dude, we lost to the team who won it all by a TD thats it lol( we also won it the year before). And if we woulda won that game we prob woulda won it all. So to say we wasn't winning isn't true at all. Get your facts straight before you preach about a topic you know nothing about. And my kid isn't old enough to be in school yet he just turned 6 months ty for caring though . Also I PMed Bort and his response said we was not in the wrong and people need to quit being cry babies and grow up lol. So yea but goodluck to everyone in the playoffs im done with this thread for a bit.

The only thing that comes to mind when this guy talks is f'ing pos... anyone else get that feeling.. this is the guy that you just can't stand and don't know why..

Originally posted by Monoxide97
Originally posted by matta

Originally posted by dpell



And Matta, I'm pretty sure at one point in one of the many threads or PM's about this issue either the owner or one of the GM's said they cared more about playing together than winning, and that they wouldn't boost if sticking them in a lower league like this was so unfair. I'm not going to search every post ever in this forum to see if that was said or not, but the fact that they waited this long does sort of support that.

I don't understand why it's unfair? Because we're only in the 3rd season, the leagues haven't equilibrated. As a result, there are teams with bad owners / coordinators in AAA that are worse than teams with good owners / coordinators in BBB. Give this game 10 or so seasons, and the cream will rise and the mud will sink, and there will be parity in the leagues. Then, if someone comes into a BBB with some ringers, it won't be fair. But right now, it's not that big of a deal.

That's all I'm really going to say about the issue. I just don't get why so many people are so upset over this.

Cuz people are idiots and like to cry all the time. They needed something to bitch about and it was us for this season. People think we care if we are not in the little weekly reports? Who cares. We wanted to change the name at the seasons start but we said why not wait till the playoffs to do it. Its not like we changed our team name to be in disguise lol.

Pack it in your ass... I called you on this bullshit weeks ago.

"See?? We can be beat??" "See?? We aren't the threat you perceive us to be. You're crying over nothing."

Aren't these the types of lines you wanted us to buy?? That what you did was somehow okay because you dumped a few games to teams that needed to boost to keep up with your levels PRE-boosted???

Didn't I tell you weeks ago that it was all a crock because we KNEW you were just waiting for your moment to spring this shit??

Now you've grown your "internet muscle" again because you realize it's almost over. No need to let anything blow over because you've now PROVEN what an asshole you are so you may as well come out and call people "crybabies" and such....

Originally posted by Monoxide97
It didn't cost us no where NEAR 12 million lol how in the hell do you get that? And my goal is to have the highest players I can have and even if it was as small as 300 xp as you say id do it again?
And to the other dude, we lost to the team who won it all by a TD thats it lol( we also won it the year before). And if we woulda won that game we prob woulda won it all. So to say we wasn't winning isn't true at all. Get your facts straight before you preach about a topic you know nothing about. And my kid isn't old enough to be in school yet he just turned 6 months ty for caring though . Also I PMed Bort and his response said we was not in the wrong and people need to quit being cry babies and grow up lol. So yea but goodluck to everyone in the playoffs im done with this thread for a bit.

Then Bort was being an ultimate two-face on this.... NOT what we heard from the admin camp at all.... Remember Bort is the nicer, more wishy-washy admin that just wants it to blow over. I'd like to see a copy of the PM from Bort UNEDITED that says that you all did nothing wrong.....

He doesn't have a problem with your crock-of-shit reasoning for doing it, is probably closer to the truth. I can cite plenty of quotes from Bort in other threads that explain that this is EXACTLY what he was trying to stop from occurring.

Ya'll won a championship in season 1 when most of us didn't even have a player in this game until over half way through the season, moved up. Actually got into a competitive league and pussed out and migrated to a low league so you could win again by virtue of outlevelling every team.

Wasn't your plan you say??? Well it is STILL what you've done.

Crybabies??? We waited our turn to attempt to win this league and did it fair and square. We didn't migrate a high-level team down here. We STARTED here.

Originally posted by matta
Originally posted by dpell


And Matta, I'm pretty sure at one point in one of the many threads or PM's about this issue either the owner or one of the GM's said they cared more about playing together than winning, and that they wouldn't boost if sticking them in a lower league like this was so unfair. I'm not going to search every post ever in this forum to see if that was said or not, but the fact that they waited this long does sort of support that.

I don't understand why it's unfair? Because we're only in the 3rd season, the leagues haven't equilibrated. As a result, there are teams with bad owners / coordinators in AAA that are worse than teams with good owners / coordinators in BBB. Give this game 10 or so seasons, and the cream will rise and the mud will sink, and there will be parity in the leagues. Then, if someone comes into a BBB with some ringers, it won't be fair. But right now, it's not that big of a deal.

That's all I'm really going to say about the issue. I just don't get why so many people are so upset over this.

They already were "equiliberated" upward and suddenly weren't winning as much. So they struck their camp and all decided to migrate to a lower league where they could win again.....

It would be like Lima winning this league this year, getting relegated up to USA A #8, having a tougher go of it, and then migrating all of their players to an Africa A level team.

Just because there wasn't a specific rule placed on it doesn't mean it isn't against the rules.... DD and Bort have BOTH said this on multiple occasions.

Originally posted by Monoxide97
It didn't cost us no where NEAR 12 million lol how in the hell do you get that?

Ticket sales for the playoff games run at 2.5 - 3 times expected price. Concessions are also higher, so your team would earn over $3 million per home playoff game. However, by losing so many regular season games, you get no home playoff games (unless Lima and DVDTalk both lose), meaning that you lost out on $3 * 3 = $9 million just in the playoffs. Your fan support was also low most of the season, causing deflated pricing and concession sales, which cost you just over $0.3 million per home game, which ends up running about $12 million for the total season when you count it all out.

Of course, you guys look to be managing ticket prices pretty poorly, though, since you're listing them at much lower than the rest of the teams in the game with similar records (and therefore likely similar fan support).

Hey, you guys can do what you want, but I'm just wondering if those 300 XP are really going to help when you can't afford lvl 24 and lvl 32 upgrades while other teams that were able to build up their stadiums faster (from better money management) are able to afford them (and consequently use the equipment bonuses to get better free agents).

Well, all we can hope is that most of them couldn't afford lvl 24 equipment and if they're bad at managing their finances they're also bad at building players.

I still believe that if they'd tried this the first day of the offseason there's no way Bort would've let them say here. Bort has been very against these kinds of moves. He basically killed the Andes Assassins for moving to Africa when HE agreed to it and moved the team, then buckled to pressure from the rest of the league. He also put some severe cash penalties against the Coyotes, an African Pro team for bringing a bunch of ringers off a gutted team to the expansion league there. Go look at their roster, all 22's and up, just like the Vikings.

By waiting until just a day or two before the season started they caught the Admins up to their neck in support claims. So Bort took the easy way out for him rather than really looking into the situation and fixing it. All of his track record before and after this one incident shows that Bort is completely against this kind of behavior.

Originally posted by matta
I have nothing against that team - they have the right to move their players if they choose. There's nothing in the game to prohibit it or to incentivize against it, so it's not cheating.

I also tend not to care about how other teams are structured, but with the name change, I took a look at their team.

They obviously waited until the playoffs to boost their team, which is what is recommended for highly competitive teams. However, I don't believe they were competitive enough to wait. With their 4 losses that they otherwise wouldn't have with early boosts, they fell to 5th place, meaning that they lose out on 3 home playoff games (which they have a good shot at with their newly boosted team). In addition, the losses cost fan support, which impacted concessions and ticket prices throughout the season. Ultimately, it looks like waiting to boost cost their team with that stadium about $12 million. I can't see any major advantages. Most teams in our league are fairly balanced pass/run, so it's not like they could use the extra SP to build a team to exploit other builds. And the extra XP gained from being at the lower level for 16 weeks is only a fraction of a level.

So I guess the question is: why did they wait so long to boost?

sorry matta, but before you spout off you should actually read the whole thread...

Originally posted by dpell
Look, the cheaters changed their team name and they boosted. Maybe we'll be confused by this new Viking team. Maybe we'll be surprised that half their starting lineup are lvl 24's and forget all this lying. Yeah right. Every game they win is playoff revenue stolen from the team they beat.

Bort and the Admins completely f-ed this league over when they allowed this. I hope it doesn't happen, but based on their levels and ratings they're now the best team in BBB#15, and if all of the other top-seeds win that means that as the #1 seed my team Rapid City is going to have the honor of getting hosed in the 2nd round.

What a crock of crap.

Yeah I was looking to see who had a bye week for the first round of the playoffs. Took me a little bit but once I saw the one name I didn't recognize I knew that I found the cheaters and deceivers.

Originally posted by matta
The difference was only 300 XP and it cost your team at least $12 million. In fact, you could have boosted your players just 1 level, cost yourself only 200 XP, and probably made all of that money.

It seems like either really poor financial planning or some myopic players who don't care about the owner/team. Based on the construction choices in the stadium, ticket pricing, and current financial state of the team, it seems to be the former.

actually it is just as Monoxide said

Originally posted by Monoxide97

Cuz people are idiots


only his team is the one full of the fools on this one.

Originally posted by jmsne
The only thing that comes to mind when this guy talks is f'ing pos... anyone else get that feeling.. this is the guy that you just can't stand and don't know why..

confirmed and agreed

Originally posted by dpell

I still believe that if they'd tried this the first day of the offseason there's no way Bort would've let them say here. Bort has been very against these kinds of moves. He basically killed the Andes Assassins for moving to Africa when HE agreed to it and moved the team, then buckled to pressure from the rest of the league. He also put some severe cash penalties against the Coyotes, an African Pro team for bringing a bunch of ringers off a gutted team to the expansion league there. Go look at their roster, all 22's and up, just like the Vikings.

By waiting until just a day or two before the season started they caught the Admins up to their neck in support claims. So Bort took the easy way out for him rather than really looking into the situation and fixing it. All of his track record before and after this one incident shows that Bort is completely against this kind of behavior.

I still wonder if a good faith effort was actually put in to try and be moved to a more competative league. I found a number of teams that would have been a good fit for them to switch with but strangely nothing seemed to come of all those requests...coincidence? I think not.

Originally posted by k2skier
Originally posted by dpell


I still believe that if they'd tried this the first day of the offseason there's no way Bort would've let them say here. Bort has been very against these kinds of moves. He basically killed the Andes Assassins for moving to Africa when HE agreed to it and moved the team, then buckled to pressure from the rest of the league. He also put some severe cash penalties against the Coyotes, an African Pro team for bringing a bunch of ringers off a gutted team to the expansion league there. Go look at their roster, all 22's and up, just like the Vikings.

By waiting until just a day or two before the season started they caught the Admins up to their neck in support claims. So Bort took the easy way out for him rather than really looking into the situation and fixing it. All of his track record before and after this one incident shows that Bort is completely against this kind of behavior.

I still wonder if a good faith effort was actually put in to try and be moved to a more competative league. I found a number of teams that would have been a good fit for them to switch with but strangely nothing seemed to come of all those requests...coincidence? I think not.

No, this group wanted to win another championship and don't care how tainted it is.... Again, it's like the guys who play Madden on it's lowest level and take the Patriots and win every game 121-0 and think it's "fun"...

We ALL know that had they made any serious request to be moved that it would have been obliged as there were plenty of teams wanting to move down...

Honestly even knowing this was going to happen it was getting to a point where we had resigned ourselves to the fact that they were here and while not too many were "accepting" of the fact, the anger had settled down a bit...

Then the cocksucker decides to be a wise-ass and bump the thread when it fell silent. That pretty much confirmed every question I had about his character (as far as games and sportsmanship is concerned... Don't mean to imply anything beyond that).

Originally posted by Payton3434
Originally posted by k2skier

Originally posted by dpell



I still believe that if they'd tried this the first day of the offseason there's no way Bort would've let them say here. Bort has been very against these kinds of moves. He basically killed the Andes Assassins for moving to Africa when HE agreed to it and moved the team, then buckled to pressure from the rest of the league. He also put some severe cash penalties against the Coyotes, an African Pro team for bringing a bunch of ringers off a gutted team to the expansion league there. Go look at their roster, all 22's and up, just like the Vikings.

By waiting until just a day or two before the season started they caught the Admins up to their neck in support claims. So Bort took the easy way out for him rather than really looking into the situation and fixing it. All of his track record before and after this one incident shows that Bort is completely against this kind of behavior.

I still wonder if a good faith effort was actually put in to try and be moved to a more competative league. I found a number of teams that would have been a good fit for them to switch with but strangely nothing seemed to come of all those requests...coincidence? I think not.

No, this group wanted to win another championship and don't care how tainted it is.... Again, it's like the guys who play Madden on it's lowest level and take the Patriots and win every game 121-0 and think it's "fun"...

We ALL know that had they made any serious request to be moved that it would have been obliged as there were plenty of teams wanting to move down...



I saw the request, and the response from one team member. It was not from team ownership though. So I know it wasn't a 100% commitment from the team, and some effort was made by individuals to get moved, but too late, and without the backing of the team's ownership behind it. Well before the end of the off-season, Bort quit making these moves under anything beyond what admin considered extraordinary circumstances - apparently this wasn't one of those.