Warrior General Games

Originally posted by mwoods07
They are second and I really cant argue it. They are in a major conference (regardless how down that conference is) and have won like 29 straight games or something. I don't think they are the best team, but likely deserve the spot until actually proven otherwise. Hopefully Michigan State will fix that issue.

If Duke beats FSU, I'll come on here and say Winston is terrible and should be benched all next season.

Here is to the MSU defense spoiling the OSU party and the DA putting charges on Winston so it can be a Bama/Auburn rematch in the BCSNCG

Originally posted by RayRay99
Here is to the MSU defense spoiling the OSU party and the DA putting charges on Winston so it can be a Bama/Auburn rematch in the BCSNCG

Lol, I have a feeling FSU could beat Duke without Winston...

Originally posted by mwoods07
Originally posted by zero

let's talk about why OSU is 2nd now

They are second and I really cant argue it. They are in a major conference (regardless how down that conference is) and have won like 29 straight games or something. I don't think they are the best team, but likely deserve the spot until actually proven otherwise. Hopefully Michigan State will fix that issue.

Only 24 straight.

I agree they aren't the best team...but why don't we talk about the "Down" Conference a minute...and then I will ask MY Question.

The reasons they deserve to be there...

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_NCAA_Division_I_football_winning_streaks
Are currently tied for 27th longest streak of all time. We are probably the 14th longest anybody on this website has ever seen. Even in a down couple of years for the B1G Ten that is still quite an accomplishment.

2) Let's talk "Strength of Schedule"...hard to find a really good set of strength of schedule at this point because most Strength of schedule ratings at this point are algorithms which include "Quality of Win" which are always opinionated. However if you look at just the ACC vs the B1G Ten you will see some discrepancies.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
-In this ranking (one which would emulate what the BCS used to use and how many look at SoS now) you will see FSU is #1 and OSU is #7...however you will also see FSU has only 1 Top 30 win and NO top 10 wins...yet OSU has 2 top 30 and 1 top 10...and we still have to face current #13 while FSU gets #40 Duke. Once again...this uses an algorithm which skews thigns greatly as Auburn/Alabama/Texas A&M all obviously have harder schedules.
-Now if we look at just pure wins alone...The ACC has 14 teams and the total win/loss for that conference is 97-71 and the B1G Ten which has 12 teams is a total of 85-59. If you take those total wins and divide by the number of teams in the league you get a Wins/team total of 6.93 for the ACC and 7.08 for the B1G Ten...thus meaning the tougher league is actually the B1G Ten.
- Not good enough??? Let's look at all "Major" conferences. SEC=7.36, Pac 12 and B1G Ten both =7.08, ACC=6.93 and the Big 12=6.5......this means one thing we all know...SEC is the best...but throws the B1G Ten is terrible logic out the window as the B1G Ten is actually tied for 2nd...and also proves why Baylor should have NEVER been in the discussion...because the Big 12 is TERRIBAD!!! What do these numbers mean...the higher number means most out of conference wins...lowest obviously means the opposite.
3) Other stats...
-Total Offensive Yards=OSU #6 with 6366, FSU 7th with 6313
-Total Points this season=FSU is #1 with 644, OSU #3 with 578
- so FSU has a slight edge

All of this leads me to my REAL Question.........Why is OSU always the brunt of the Joke this season saying we don't belong there when FSU is slightly behind us in half of the categories and overall I would say we are in similar situations??

Originally posted by stumanroo
Only 24 straight.

I agree they aren't the best team...but why don't we talk about the "Down" Conference a minute...and then I will ask MY Question.

The reasons they deserve to be there...

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_NCAA_Division_I_football_winning_streaks
Are currently tied for 27th longest streak of all time. We are probably the 14th longest anybody on this website has ever seen. Even in a down couple of years for the B1G Ten that is still quite an accomplishment.

2) Let's talk "Strength of Schedule"...hard to find a really good set of strength of schedule at this point because most Strength of schedule ratings at this point are algorithms which include "Quality of Win" which are always opinionated. However if you look at just the ACC vs the B1G Ten you will see some discrepancies.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
-In this ranking (one which would emulate what the BCS used to use and how many look at SoS now) you will see FSU is #1 and OSU is #7...however you will also see FSU has only 1 Top 30 win and NO top 10 wins...yet OSU has 2 top 30 and 1 top 10...and we still have to face current #13 while FSU gets #40 Duke. Once again...this uses an algorithm which skews thigns greatly as Auburn/Alabama/Texas A&M all obviously have harder schedules.
-Now if we look at just pure wins alone...The ACC has 14 teams and the total win/loss for that conference is 97-71 and the B1G Ten which has 12 teams is a total of 85-59. If you take those total wins and divide by the number of teams in the league you get a Wins/team total of 6.93 for the ACC and 7.08 for the B1G Ten...thus meaning the tougher league is actually the B1G Ten.
- Not good enough??? Let's look at all "Major" conferences. SEC=7.36, Pac 12 and B1G Ten both =7.08, ACC=6.93 and the Big 12=6.5......this means one thing we all know...SEC is the best...but throws the B1G Ten is terrible logic out the window as the B1G Ten is actually tied for 2nd...and also proves why Baylor should have NEVER been in the discussion...because the Big 12 is TERRIBAD!!! What do these numbers mean...the higher number means most out of conference wins...lowest obviously means the opposite.
3) Other stats...
-Total Offensive Yards=OSU #6 with 6366, FSU 7th with 6313
-Total Points this season=FSU is #1 with 644, OSU #3 with 578
- so FSU has a slight edge

All of this leads me to my REAL Question.........Why is OSU always the brunt of the Joke this season saying we don't belong there when FSU is slightly behind us in half of the categories and overall I would say we are in similar situations??

I think that people have watched the games just don't think they are very good. Doers not mean they aren't, but it's what people think. Plus you left out defense and I think there is a big seperation there between the two teams.

Do you think OSU will win the national championship? And I mean seriously, not just as a fan?

Also, what does beating a school with a top 10 SoS mean anyway? Did you see who has #1? Does a win over that team really mean anything?

As an FSU fan, I would rather face OSU than Auburn, personally.

I think OSU beats FSU 4 of 10 tries...I think it is a LOT closer than many think. However I think OSU or FSU beat Auburn or Alabama only 2 out of 10 times. However I think the 2002 Buckeyes only would have beat Miami 3 of 10 times...and look what happened then...the last time we shouldn't have been there according to the naysayers.

Ohhhhh and just to give another view to my statistics...
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/79537/could-top-conference-be-out-of-title-game?ex_cid=espnapi_public (referencing side chart not bottom chart...which again uses an algorithm!)
Just found that too. They actually list the ACC as worse than the Big 12...which I don't totally agree with...but I agree both are definitely worse than the B1G Ten.

And as far as who did I want to face? I wanted to face Alabama...likely wouldn't win...but if we did...we could tell everyone to shut the fuck up!

Also, your QB is bad ass despite what Ray (love you brother) says...but the guy who gives me a stiffy on your team is your 7 foot 300 Pound WR who runs a 4.35 40!!!! Fucking BEAST!

Originally posted by stumanroo

Also, your QB is bad ass despite what Ray (love you brother) says...but the guy who gives me a stiffy on your team is your 7 foot 300 Pound WR who runs a 4.35 40!!!! Fucking BEAST!

Never said Winston wasn't a bad ass, just that Johnny was better. Also, Mike Evans > Kelvin Benjamin

Hahaha, a little exaggerated, but yes he is good...funny thing he is our #3 guy...but if you single cover him he will make you pay, ask FL I don't think OSU wins this weekend anyway, so it may not matter. If they handle that game, I think they will garner some needed respect.

Problem is FSU has a shitty schedule but played the part and won as handily as they should have in all of their games. OSU also had a shitty schedule, but they struggled in a number of their games.

Originally posted by RayRay99
Never said Winston wasn't a bad ass, just that Johnny was better. Also, Mike Evans > Kelvin Benjamin

I suppose A&M has a HB better than Carlos Hyde as well?

Originally posted by mwoods07
Hahaha, a little exaggerated, but yes he is good..

Just a slight exaggeration!

Originally posted by mwoods07
OSU also had a shitty schedule, but they struggled in a number of their games.

They really didn't struggle in many, Northwestern (before they had an absolutely ridiculous amount of injuries), Iowa and U of M...and U of M was the only game I was truly scared in. The Wisconsin game was never actually close...just the score at the end was due to a lot of second stringers not doing shit. Iowa never made us punt, our only time we didn't score was 1 turnover on downs when we failed on a 4th down...our defense was less than stellar in that game though!!!

Iowa and Wisconsin have very underrated defenses as well...so don't take too much faith in Michigan State's Defensive ranking vs us. They have the best D in the B1G Ten and I have said all season if we took their defense and Ohio State's Offense the team would be unbeatable.

Originally posted by stumanroo
They really didn't struggle in many, Northwestern (before they had an absolutely ridiculous amount of injuries), Iowa and U of M...and U of M was the only game I was truly scared in. The Wisconsin game was never actually close...just the score at the end was due to a lot of second stringers not doing shit. Iowa never made us punt, our only time we didn't score was 1 turnover on downs when we failed on a 4th down...our defense was less than stellar in that game though!!!

Iowa and Wisconsin have very underrated defenses as well...so don't take too much faith in Michigan State's Defensive ranking vs us. They have the best D in the B1G Ten and I have said all season if we took their defense and Ohio State's Offense the team would be unbeatable.

Fact is OSU struggled in more games than FSU did with about 1/10th difference in their SOS. Who knows what this means in the end, other than something to talk about. But although FSU had an easy schedule, they made the most of that schedule and dominated. Clemson who isn't a good team, but also not a terrible team, got mauled by FSU.

Originally posted by RayRay99
He didn't specify passing yards, he said no SEC team had more yards against Florida.

Note the bold:

Originally posted by mwoods07
Gators had the #1 pass defense. The Gators may have been 4-8, but no SEC team beat them better or had more yards against them than FSU did.

Originally posted by RayRay99
He is trying to pump up a 4-8 team that lost to Georgia Southern the week before, so I guess there isn't much to argue

If you don't think it's worth arguing with then don't argue with it. Don't waste our time trying to compare his performance unfavorably to Missouri's when Winston's passing stats were better than Missouri's.

Originally posted by mwoods07
Fact is OSU struggled in more games than FSU did with about 1/10th difference in their SOS. Who knows what this means in the end, other than something to talk about. But although FSU had an easy schedule, they made the most of that schedule and dominated. Clemson who isn't a good team, but also not a terrible team, got mauled by FSU.

Exactly. FSU and OSU have very close strengths of schedule but Ohio State's average game is 48.2-20.3, a margin of 27.9 points. Florida State's second-closest game was a 27 point win! (Closest was 14.) On average FSU has won 53.7-11.0, a margin of 42.7.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2544/gr57.jpg

Nice little fanbase you have there sips. Apparently 12 - 2 -1 - 1 + 2 = 0 cares conference

in before comparing 9 games to 10 games, because the numbers against Baylor won't matter.

Originally posted by RayRay99
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2544/gr57.jpg

Nice little fanbase you have there sips. Apparently 12 - 2 -1 - 1 + 2 = 0 cares conference

in before comparing 9 games to 10 games, because the numbers against Baylor won't matter.

Guess ya gotta hang on to tv ratings when your team falls flat on its face

Originally posted by jtrav21
Guess ya gotta hang on to tv ratings when your team falls flat on its face

We lost to 3 teams in the top 5 by an average of 6 points. We lost to the 15th ranked team by 24. 4 losses suck, but we were close in all but 1 game and our defensive recruiting makes the future bright.

Y'all lost to the #6 team by 25 and lost to 2 unranked teams by an average of 20 and will likely get dominated by Baylor as well.

We fell flat on our face and are still ranked higher than y'all

Originally posted by RayRay99
We lost to 3 teams in the top 5 by an average of 6 points. We lost to the 15th ranked team by 24. 4 losses suck, but we were close in all but 1 game and our defensive recruiting makes the future bright.

Y'all lost to the #6 team by 25 and lost to 2 unranked teams by an average of 20 and will likely get dominated by Baylor as well.

We fell flat on our face and are still ranked higher than y'all

Nice....We have a chance to finish #1 in the country AND have the Heisman winner...Go NOLES!!!