Originally posted by refguru
But putting Indy as #16 in Alpha is pretty stupid.
I concur.
But putting Indy as #16 in Alpha is pretty stupid.
I concur.
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Originally posted by refguru
Originally posted by blln4lyf
GG man, but since your talking shit I will too. Had the AI been set up like it should of been(and I don't mean all run), you guys would of never had a chance in hell of coming back after the first Q.
blln, you know me. I don't really talk shit. Hell I don't have a lot to say publicly--normally. Stern is the one who rated us as the worst team in Alpha. I was just pointing that out. Thought it was really funny when he posted that we were a good team.
Our team has the same core as when we started. We haven't merged with any other teams (though have had several requests to do so), we don't have an appreciation thread to say hey look at us and recruiting for the attrition we have had has been really really tough. What we do have is a team full of great agents who play team first. Whether it is backup 3rd string and ST or splitting plays or whatever. We have guys who just like to have fun and if we win, great, but if we lose it's not the end of the world either. The majority of our team won't be age 400 until next season--though we will lose some key dots after this season--and we've been out-leveled for a few seasons since we were in AA in S12, AAA in S13, OPL in S14 and WL in S15.
I think what the Blaze and some of these other top teams do is great. If you have the network to pick the best dots every season then why wouldn't you? But our agents all want to stay together and live and die with each other along with a few players we need to complete us. Different doesn't mean wrong and I don't understand the hating on the Blaze. Jealousy maybe? To each their own. But putting Indy as #16 in Alpha is pretty stupid.
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst, top 2 at best imo, so DS was clearly wrong. Just seemed like you were talking some smack so I dished some back out. Nothing wrong at all with not merging, the only problem I ever had is saying you would 100% only to back out. Don't come off as a guy who is "too good" to merge when you wanted to, but backed out because your agents didn't like that not everyone would make the team and would rather stick together even in a lower league. I do understand the team wanting to do that, I just don't understand how you can talk about shit while leaving out a key part of what you are talking about. You guys rebounded when I didn't think you would, and congrats on that, but your basically talking just to talk now.
Originally posted by blln4lyf
GG man, but since your talking shit I will too. Had the AI been set up like it should of been(and I don't mean all run), you guys would of never had a chance in hell of coming back after the first Q.
blln, you know me. I don't really talk shit. Hell I don't have a lot to say publicly--normally. Stern is the one who rated us as the worst team in Alpha. I was just pointing that out. Thought it was really funny when he posted that we were a good team.
Our team has the same core as when we started. We haven't merged with any other teams (though have had several requests to do so), we don't have an appreciation thread to say hey look at us and recruiting for the attrition we have had has been really really tough. What we do have is a team full of great agents who play team first. Whether it is backup 3rd string and ST or splitting plays or whatever. We have guys who just like to have fun and if we win, great, but if we lose it's not the end of the world either. The majority of our team won't be age 400 until next season--though we will lose some key dots after this season--and we've been out-leveled for a few seasons since we were in AA in S12, AAA in S13, OPL in S14 and WL in S15.
I think what the Blaze and some of these other top teams do is great. If you have the network to pick the best dots every season then why wouldn't you? But our agents all want to stay together and live and die with each other along with a few players we need to complete us. Different doesn't mean wrong and I don't understand the hating on the Blaze. Jealousy maybe? To each their own. But putting Indy as #16 in Alpha is pretty stupid.
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst, top 2 at best imo, so DS was clearly wrong. Just seemed like you were talking some smack so I dished some back out. Nothing wrong at all with not merging, the only problem I ever had is saying you would 100% only to back out. Don't come off as a guy who is "too good" to merge when you wanted to, but backed out because your agents didn't like that not everyone would make the team and would rather stick together even in a lower league. I do understand the team wanting to do that, I just don't understand how you can talk about shit while leaving out a key part of what you are talking about. You guys rebounded when I didn't think you would, and congrats on that, but your basically talking just to talk now.
Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by refguru
But putting Indy as #16 in Alpha is pretty stupid.
I concur.
not as stupid as griping over preseason rankings, but it's up there.
Originally posted by refguru
But putting Indy as #16 in Alpha is pretty stupid.
I concur.
not as stupid as griping over preseason rankings, but it's up there.
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst
Eh, they might be top 4, but that's not the worst case. The only beat us because their return man went nuts.
I think I'd rank Alpha:
1) Chocolate
--- decent gap
2) ESL
3) Warsaw
4) Providence
5) Indianapolis
6) [HURF]ifax
7) Honolulu
--- decent gap
rest
Alpha is just tough to figure out this season. No offense to Sparta, but the full slate of their results doesn't make me believe that they're a playoff team and yet they beat HHWC pretty comfortably. Krungthep also gave us everything we can handle, but Queen City beat them convincingly. GRiTS and Graz are out of it, but the rest can probably upset anyone except the Blaze with a favorable sim. And hopefully the playoffs will be more exciting this season since it looks like there are a few teams that could knock off Chocolate with a favorable sim.
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst
Eh, they might be top 4, but that's not the worst case. The only beat us because their return man went nuts.
I think I'd rank Alpha:
1) Chocolate
--- decent gap
2) ESL
3) Warsaw
4) Providence
5) Indianapolis
6) [HURF]ifax
7) Honolulu
--- decent gap
rest
Alpha is just tough to figure out this season. No offense to Sparta, but the full slate of their results doesn't make me believe that they're a playoff team and yet they beat HHWC pretty comfortably. Krungthep also gave us everything we can handle, but Queen City beat them convincingly. GRiTS and Graz are out of it, but the rest can probably upset anyone except the Blaze with a favorable sim. And hopefully the playoffs will be more exciting this season since it looks like there are a few teams that could knock off Chocolate with a favorable sim.
Originally posted by rocklee711
lol at decent gap b/w HHWC and the rest.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1177989
hey, we lost to chocolate blaze by 4 points and there's a decent gap between them and esl.
there's just a decent gap between jdbolick's understanding of what a decent gap is, and what a decent gap really is.
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lol at decent gap b/w HHWC and the rest.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1177989
hey, we lost to chocolate blaze by 4 points and there's a decent gap between them and esl.
there's just a decent gap between jdbolick's understanding of what a decent gap is, and what a decent gap really is.
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Originally posted by rocklee711
lol at decent gap b/w HHWC and the rest.
Yeah, but you also got blown the fuck out by the Wildfire, who we beat by 71. I already made the point that anyone in Alpha besides GRiTS & Graz can beat anyone else in the conference aside from Chocolate on any given day. But based on the totality of the schedule so far, I don't feel like QCBC is in that second tier. I almost put you guys at 8, I just couldn't get past how badly you lost to October.
Originally posted by Rusty Trombone
hey, we lost to chocolate blaze by 4 points and there's a decent gap between them and esl.
Again, it's the totality of the schedule. ESL can beat Chocolate, but every game besides MoD has been close, while the Blaze generally blow people out (your game & bad AI against Indy notwithstanding). If you ask the other owners in Alpha who they'd rather face in the playoffs, every single one of them is going to say ESL without hesitation. It's not a slight against you guys, it's just a common perception that they're better.
lol at decent gap b/w HHWC and the rest.
Yeah, but you also got blown the fuck out by the Wildfire, who we beat by 71. I already made the point that anyone in Alpha besides GRiTS & Graz can beat anyone else in the conference aside from Chocolate on any given day. But based on the totality of the schedule so far, I don't feel like QCBC is in that second tier. I almost put you guys at 8, I just couldn't get past how badly you lost to October.
Originally posted by Rusty Trombone
hey, we lost to chocolate blaze by 4 points and there's a decent gap between them and esl.
Again, it's the totality of the schedule. ESL can beat Chocolate, but every game besides MoD has been close, while the Blaze generally blow people out (your game & bad AI against Indy notwithstanding). If you ask the other owners in Alpha who they'd rather face in the playoffs, every single one of them is going to say ESL without hesitation. It's not a slight against you guys, it's just a common perception that they're better.
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst, top 2 at best imo, so DS was clearly wrong. Just seemed like you were talking some smack so I dished some back out. Nothing wrong at all with not merging, the only problem I ever had is saying you would 100% only to back out. Don't come off as a guy who is "too good" to merge when you wanted to, but backed out because your agents didn't like that not everyone would make the team and would rather stick together even in a lower league. I do understand the team wanting to do that, I just don't understand how you can talk about shit while leaving out a key part of what you are talking about. You guys rebounded when I didn't think you would, and congrats on that, but your basically talking just to talk now.
blln, uhm, no, dude, that was with the previous dots who were on our USA team. None of the Oceania players. You wanted to merge with the USA Pro Gurupies and then you turned your back on us when you got a better offer from the Cs and then wanted just to cherry pick a few players and they said no. (We still gave you some older players who were really good for a season). We let that team die. And you are not the only one to approach us about merging. I don't know why you are saying this stuff but I'm not responding anymore. I never said we were "too good to merge" and hell I even gave you props. We "rebounded?" See you don't know what you're talking about. Obviously, like most, you don't know much about us. Now I can see why people hate on you.
Originally posted by jdbolick
Eh, they might be top 4, but that's not the worst case. The only beat us because their return man went nuts.
I think I'd rank Alpha:
1) Chocolate
--- decent gap
2) ESL
3) Warsaw
4) Providence
5) Indianapolis
6) [HURF]ifax
7) Honolulu
--- decent gap
rest
Alpha is just tough to figure out this season. No offense to Sparta, but the full slate of their results doesn't make me believe that they're a playoff team and yet they beat HHWC pretty comfortably. Krungthep also gave us everything we can handle, but Queen City beat them convincingly. GRiTS and Graz are out of it, but the rest can probably upset anyone except the Blaze with a favorable sim. And hopefully the playoffs will be more exciting this season since it looks like there are a few teams that could knock off Chocolate with a favorable sim.
You obviously don't know us either, but that's ok. We still have a long way to go. If you've studied us, you know that isn't some lucky (or unlucky break). That is who we are. We beat Prov by 10 and who is to say we wouldn't have scored by marching down the field had we not had big returns? We aren't and will never be the best ever and we're fine with that. But after awhile, you should start to re-think how many "lucky sims" we're supposedly getting.
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst, top 2 at best imo, so DS was clearly wrong. Just seemed like you were talking some smack so I dished some back out. Nothing wrong at all with not merging, the only problem I ever had is saying you would 100% only to back out. Don't come off as a guy who is "too good" to merge when you wanted to, but backed out because your agents didn't like that not everyone would make the team and would rather stick together even in a lower league. I do understand the team wanting to do that, I just don't understand how you can talk about shit while leaving out a key part of what you are talking about. You guys rebounded when I didn't think you would, and congrats on that, but your basically talking just to talk now.
blln, uhm, no, dude, that was with the previous dots who were on our USA team. None of the Oceania players. You wanted to merge with the USA Pro Gurupies and then you turned your back on us when you got a better offer from the Cs and then wanted just to cherry pick a few players and they said no. (We still gave you some older players who were really good for a season). We let that team die. And you are not the only one to approach us about merging. I don't know why you are saying this stuff but I'm not responding anymore. I never said we were "too good to merge" and hell I even gave you props. We "rebounded?" See you don't know what you're talking about. Obviously, like most, you don't know much about us. Now I can see why people hate on you.
Originally posted by jdbolick
Eh, they might be top 4, but that's not the worst case. The only beat us because their return man went nuts.
I think I'd rank Alpha:
1) Chocolate
--- decent gap
2) ESL
3) Warsaw
4) Providence
5) Indianapolis
6) [HURF]ifax
7) Honolulu
--- decent gap
rest
Alpha is just tough to figure out this season. No offense to Sparta, but the full slate of their results doesn't make me believe that they're a playoff team and yet they beat HHWC pretty comfortably. Krungthep also gave us everything we can handle, but Queen City beat them convincingly. GRiTS and Graz are out of it, but the rest can probably upset anyone except the Blaze with a favorable sim. And hopefully the playoffs will be more exciting this season since it looks like there are a few teams that could knock off Chocolate with a favorable sim.
You obviously don't know us either, but that's ok. We still have a long way to go. If you've studied us, you know that isn't some lucky (or unlucky break). That is who we are. We beat Prov by 10 and who is to say we wouldn't have scored by marching down the field had we not had big returns? We aren't and will never be the best ever and we're fine with that. But after awhile, you should start to re-think how many "lucky sims" we're supposedly getting.
Edited by refguru on Apr 18, 2010 18:40:42
Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by rocklee711
lol at decent gap b/w HHWC and the rest.
Yeah, but you also got blown the fuck out by the Wildfire, who we beat by 71. I already made the point that anyone in Alpha besides GRiTS & Graz can beat anyone else in the conference aside from Chocolate on any given day. But based on the totality of the schedule so far, I don't feel like QCBC is in that second tier. I almost put you guys at 8, I just couldn't get past how badly you lost to October.
Originally posted by Rusty Trombone
hey, we lost to chocolate blaze by 4 points and there's a decent gap between them and esl.
Again, it's the totality of the schedule. ESL can beat Chocolate, but every game besides MoD has been close, while the Blaze generally blow people out (your game & bad AI against Indy notwithstanding). If you ask the other owners in Alpha who they'd rather face in the playoffs, every single one of them is going to say ESL without hesitation. It's not a slight against you guys, it's just a common perception that they're better.
i'm just fucking with you. the day i argue about someone's rankings is the day i should probably ragequit.
Originally posted by rocklee711
lol at decent gap b/w HHWC and the rest.
Yeah, but you also got blown the fuck out by the Wildfire, who we beat by 71. I already made the point that anyone in Alpha besides GRiTS & Graz can beat anyone else in the conference aside from Chocolate on any given day. But based on the totality of the schedule so far, I don't feel like QCBC is in that second tier. I almost put you guys at 8, I just couldn't get past how badly you lost to October.
Originally posted by Rusty Trombone
hey, we lost to chocolate blaze by 4 points and there's a decent gap between them and esl.
Again, it's the totality of the schedule. ESL can beat Chocolate, but every game besides MoD has been close, while the Blaze generally blow people out (your game & bad AI against Indy notwithstanding). If you ask the other owners in Alpha who they'd rather face in the playoffs, every single one of them is going to say ESL without hesitation. It's not a slight against you guys, it's just a common perception that they're better.
i'm just fucking with you. the day i argue about someone's rankings is the day i should probably ragequit.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Yeah, but you also got blown the fuck out by the Wildfire, who we beat by 71.
No doubt the October game was ugly but I think 8 turnovers will do that to anyone. Just one of those games really.
Going by your same logic, we beat HHWC, who beat you.
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Yeah, but you also got blown the fuck out by the Wildfire, who we beat by 71.
No doubt the October game was ugly but I think 8 turnovers will do that to anyone. Just one of those games really.
Going by your same logic, we beat HHWC, who beat you.
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Edited by rocklee711 on Apr 18, 2010 19:37:07
Edited by rocklee711 on Apr 18, 2010 19:34:25
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Eh, they might be top 4, but that's not the worst case. The only beat us because their return man went nuts.
I think I'd rank Alpha:
1) Chocolate
--- decent gap
2) ESL
3) Warsaw
4) Providence
5) Indianapolis
6) [HURF]ifax
7) Honolulu
--- decent gap
rest
Alpha is just tough to figure out this season. No offense to Sparta, but the full slate of their results doesn't make me believe that they're a playoff team and yet they beat HHWC pretty comfortably. Krungthep also gave us everything we can handle, but Queen City beat them convincingly. GRiTS and Graz are out of it, but the rest can probably upset anyone except the Blaze with a favorable sim. And hopefully the playoffs will be more exciting this season since it looks like there are a few teams that could knock off Chocolate with a favorable sim.
Just so I can be clear, you lost to both Gurupies and HHWC yet you are ranking them both below you? Interesting...
Eh, they might be top 4, but that's not the worst case. The only beat us because their return man went nuts.
I think I'd rank Alpha:
1) Chocolate
--- decent gap
2) ESL
3) Warsaw
4) Providence
5) Indianapolis
6) [HURF]ifax
7) Honolulu
--- decent gap
rest
Alpha is just tough to figure out this season. No offense to Sparta, but the full slate of their results doesn't make me believe that they're a playoff team and yet they beat HHWC pretty comfortably. Krungthep also gave us everything we can handle, but Queen City beat them convincingly. GRiTS and Graz are out of it, but the rest can probably upset anyone except the Blaze with a favorable sim. And hopefully the playoffs will be more exciting this season since it looks like there are a few teams that could knock off Chocolate with a favorable sim.
Just so I can be clear, you lost to both Gurupies and HHWC yet you are ranking them both below you? Interesting...
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Originally posted by refguru
Originally posted by blln4lyf
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst, top 2 at best imo, so DS was clearly wrong. Just seemed like you were talking some smack so I dished some back out. Nothing wrong at all with not merging, the only problem I ever had is saying you would 100% only to back out. Don't come off as a guy who is "too good" to merge when you wanted to, but backed out because your agents didn't like that not everyone would make the team and would rather stick together even in a lower league. I do understand the team wanting to do that, I just don't understand how you can talk about shit while leaving out a key part of what you are talking about. You guys rebounded when I didn't think you would, and congrats on that, but your basically talking just to talk now.
blln, uhm, no, dude, that was with the previous dots who were on our USA team. None of the Oceania players. You wanted to merge with the USA Pro Gurupies and then you turned your back on us when you got a better offer from the Cs and then wanted just to cherry pick a few players and they said no. (We still gave you some older players who were really good for a season). We let that team die. And you are not the only one to approach us about merging. I don't know why you are saying this stuff but I'm not responding anymore. I never said we were "too good to merge" and hell I even gave you props. We "rebounded?" See you don't know what you're talking about. Obviously, like most, you don't know much about us. Now I can see why people hate on you.
Dude, no. It was for both teams, has the previous dots on the USA team were all too old but 1 or 2. The Oceania players were included in the talks we had, don't lie. And we didn't turn our back on you at all, it was quite the opposite in fact. I know exactly what teams you had has you posted everyone in the forum we had and they were all included. People can hate on me all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
Originally posted by blln4lyf
Indy is obviously a top 4 Alpha team at worst, top 2 at best imo, so DS was clearly wrong. Just seemed like you were talking some smack so I dished some back out. Nothing wrong at all with not merging, the only problem I ever had is saying you would 100% only to back out. Don't come off as a guy who is "too good" to merge when you wanted to, but backed out because your agents didn't like that not everyone would make the team and would rather stick together even in a lower league. I do understand the team wanting to do that, I just don't understand how you can talk about shit while leaving out a key part of what you are talking about. You guys rebounded when I didn't think you would, and congrats on that, but your basically talking just to talk now.
blln, uhm, no, dude, that was with the previous dots who were on our USA team. None of the Oceania players. You wanted to merge with the USA Pro Gurupies and then you turned your back on us when you got a better offer from the Cs and then wanted just to cherry pick a few players and they said no. (We still gave you some older players who were really good for a season). We let that team die. And you are not the only one to approach us about merging. I don't know why you are saying this stuff but I'm not responding anymore. I never said we were "too good to merge" and hell I even gave you props. We "rebounded?" See you don't know what you're talking about. Obviously, like most, you don't know much about us. Now I can see why people hate on you.
Dude, no. It was for both teams, has the previous dots on the USA team were all too old but 1 or 2. The Oceania players were included in the talks we had, don't lie. And we didn't turn our back on you at all, it was quite the opposite in fact. I know exactly what teams you had has you posted everyone in the forum we had and they were all included. People can hate on me all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
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The Blaze are definitely great and are certainly the favorites...that being said...this is definitely a sim where they can be beaten by a couple of the upper echelon teams in Alpha on a given day. The sim is just that wacky that a couple bad breaks really send everything out of the loop.
Their offense is just so good that they can rebound from so many bad situations tho...and thats what makes them so ridiculously dangerous.
Their offense is just so good that they can rebound from so many bad situations tho...and thats what makes them so ridiculously dangerous.
Edited by bhall43 on Apr 18, 2010 20:03:17
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Originally posted by rocklee711
No doubt the October game was ugly but I think 8 turnovers will do that to anyone. Just one of those games really.
Going by your same logic, we beat HHWC, who beat you.
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LTS beat Garudas who beat Sparta who beat HHWC who beat LTS. None of the games were within single digits. shit is pretty crazy in alpha.
No doubt the October game was ugly but I think 8 turnovers will do that to anyone. Just one of those games really.
Going by your same logic, we beat HHWC, who beat you.
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LTS beat Garudas who beat Sparta who beat HHWC who beat LTS. None of the games were within single digits. shit is pretty crazy in alpha.
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