Warrior General Games

Originally posted by B2ThaJ
Why put all the time into this if its not generally excepted? Wheres the poll?

It's VERY early, bro. The knee-jerk reaction to such a (perceived, at least) massive overhaul of the game we all love is going to be resistance. Overall I think when people calm down they're going to see that ultimately if you know what you're doing already this isn't really gonna change a whole lot. That's not to say the idea is perfect as is; it's not. For one, I think there needs to be separation for OT/OG/C instead of lumping them all together in 2 OL Archetypes (though this could just be for presentation's sake right now...looks like the beginnings of separation are in place...we'll have to wait and see how exactly it plays out).

I like how there are so many people complaining about not being able to have build flexibility.

What about the rushing FBs that are currently being "forced" to build blocking FBs based on their ALGs?

No it's cool, I'll work on Speed when I hit level 56.

The only thing this does is give us ALGs that make more sense. Ok sure, you make a HB and you aren't certain what ALGs you want in the long run. You know what? ANY ALGs are going to be better than THROWING regardless of what build you're going for.

Not sure if you want a run blocker or pass blocker? Well you know what? ANY ALGs are better than TACKLING regardless of what build you're going for.

Originally posted by Kayoh
There should definitely be a balanced blocker. Majors: Strength, Blocking, Agility, Minors: Vision, Confidence, Speed. Make it happen.

I think you meant to say GOD BLOCKER

Originally posted by Kayoh
There should definitely be a balanced blocker. Majors: Strength, Blocking, Agility, Minors: Vision, Confidence, Speed. Make it happen.

Seems over powered, no?

Originally posted by neoliminal
It doesn't make sense for a power back to have First Step either...but you're letting me take that.

Ummm.

HB Power
5'11" - 6'4", 210-260 Lbs
Major Agility Carrying Confidence Strength (+.5)
Minor Catching Speed Stamina Vision (+.25)
Bonus SA's - Lower Shoulder, Power Thru
Penalty SA's - First Step, Spin

Originally posted by neoliminal
It doesn't make sense for a power back to have First Step either...but you're letting me take that.

APete?

this sounds great, wish it had happened earlier

not reading through 21 pages but 2 things....

260 pound QBs? If their not statues i sure hope they dont break sacks like PBs break tackles

and for the bonus SA's, say i build a zone FS, super vision is already one of his SA's, so does he start with like a +2 in SV or something? How exactly would that work?

I'm not liking how Offensive Linemen have to choose between pass and run blocking - especially seeing as there's no realistic way for OCs to put in specific Olinemen on specific plays. Perhaps for OTs it might be a bit more acceptable, but in all honesty I do think the other two Olinemen positions need to be a bit more balanced.

If we want specialised builds for Olinemen with no option for balanced varieties, then there should be a way for OCs to choose specific linemen for specific plays (I guess custom Oline slots haha) and I guess a way for DCs to pick up on that (Tagging for specific Oline positions? ). Otherwise, I'd hope this is revised to include a balanced archetype.

Other than that though, it seems like a nice idea. Teams which are highly organised and remain together throughout most of their run from the beginning, should have a further advantage in co-ordinated specified player building which is as it should be.

EDIT: I guess my olineman thing was already mentioned. I don't think it should quite be as effective as Kayoh's suggestion, but a balanced option would be nice.

Originally posted by Catch22
Originally posted by rockislandmike

Now *THAT* is an interesting idea. Let me pick the position, and then major/minor attributes for them. You'd definitely get some variation in "archetypes".

Discussed and shot down by Bort.

Very sad to hear that . THAT'S what would change the game , not this. All this is is more cookie cutter IMO.

Why is everything that is supposedly done for the game just more of what's already here with a different shirt on ? I'm sad.

Originally posted by neoliminal
Originally posted by Catch22

No. The penalties are there for a reason. It doesn't make sense for a power back to have elusive back abilities, so we are discouraging taking those SA's.

It doesn't make sense for a power back to have First Step either...but you're letting me take that.

First Step is, in my experience very good for power HBs.

Originally posted by drake262 DTD
Originally posted by Mr Sinister

I was told you don't see players in the NFL changing positions, so I said he was wrong, and you know it. I just made a few examples, because he said you don't see Peyton Manning changing his position, he came out as a Qb and is still a Qb. Try not to only show 1 side of it. You should be able to move your LBs around if need be, and I have used LBs as DEs in this game too.

I never said change positions. I said Peyton came out of college a passing QB, why later on down the road would he choose to become a dual threat? We all know that would fail hard.

It would now, but a rushing QB can become a good passing QB. Some have, Cunningham, VY. But like someone said this isn't the NFL, so why not let them be dual threats?

Originally posted by Catch22
Ummm.

HB Power
5'11" - 6'4", 210-260 Lbs
Major Agility Carrying Confidence Strength (+.5)
Minor Catching Speed Stamina Vision (+.25)
Bonus SA's - Lower Shoulder, Power Thru
Penalty SA's - First Step, Spin

Is Stamina a set minor? Meaning it can't be used as a major? Because honestly, I think Stamina would be a better Major than Confidence considering the amount of weight they'll carry and the energy drain from the hard hits they'll get (presumably since they'll be running right up the middle more than other builds).

Originally posted by odg62
this sounds great, wish it had happened earlier

not reading through 21 pages but 2 things....

260 pound QBs? If their not statues i sure hope they dont break sacks like PBs break tackles

and for the bonus SA's, say i build a zone FS, super vision is already one of his SA's, so does he start with like a +2 in SV or something? How exactly would that work?

Mat did the height/weight ranges. He pulled data from somewhere.

Great idea... Ibelieve GLB should embrace idea of personalizing players. First I hope it has a long term effect on devolpment of player and secondly for stpecial teams add positions, WR(on kickoff) and HB, example Adrian Peterson of Bears. For the returner archetype i support adding safeties (Daniel Manning). Would love to see this idea in gameplay!