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fool
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Originally posted by ICRockets
On tradition alone, you're gonna have a problem with teams like Komodo and 3KW above teams like the Garudas and Lightning, but I made the list with a very simple principle that if you're 0-2 you're not getting ranked above a 2-0 team under any circumstances. This isn't set in stone, and if a team like 3KW loses and Bangkok wins next week, it's certainly something to re-examine. But for right now, I don't know any argument that should put 0-2 teams above 2-0 teams.


ANL and KG both killed you guys by 50+ points, yet you've got yourself higher than them on your list? Also, when looking at a limited number of games won or lost, you have to consider the quality of the competition... yeah we're 0-2, but if you played the same two teams we did, you'd be 0-2 as well, and vice versa if we played the teams you beat. I know you guys are worried your team will get left out again in the inter-conference contest, but using hyperbole and trying to inflate your team's standing just makes you look ridiculous. It's much better for the league if we have accurate rankings, as it provides for more competitive, entertaining games, and gives meaning to the contest. What fun is it if we allow the Rampage to be a top 15 team, just to see them get totally blown out by the competition. It's much better if we seed you guys around #20 or so and actually give you a chance to come back with a win.

No offense intended here... just trying to shed some reality on the situation. You guys are improving, and remember, being a marginal team in Pro is still better than being a champion in AAA.
 
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Might be late to this thread, but the rankings on page 19 for PDD is way to high. 3?!?!? We have yet to prove we are there yet. We beat "no offense" 2 below average squads. Our first real matchup will be tomorrow against Krungthep. We will see how we stack up after that
 
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just take the worse five teams and put them at 5-10. That way we can back heavy the rankings and win the challenge.

worked great for my highschool tennis team.
 
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Originally posted by creeker22
Might be late to this thread, but the rankings on page 19 for PDD is way to high. 3?!?!? We have yet to prove we are there yet. We beat "no offense" 2 below average squads. Our first real matchup will be tomorrow against Krungthep. We will see how we stack up after that


on page 18 my rankings make more sense. i have you in the 5 -7 range.
 
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rankings in this thread shouldn't be about pissing contests. This is about the league, not individual teams. who cares about regular season standings when ranking the teams, rank them based on talent. it should be about who you know can compete against other leagues top teams, and who matches up well against other teams in EE.

with that said, good luck trying to get everyone to agree since we have alot of people who are very touchy about rankings
Edited by HurricaneBear on Jun 25, 2009 05:48:41
 
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Originally posted by ICRockets
On tradition alone, you're gonna have a problem with teams like Komodo and 3KW above teams like the Garudas and Lightning, but I made the list with a very simple principle that if you're 0-2 you're not getting ranked above a 2-0 team under any circumstances. This isn't set in stone, and if a team like 3KW loses and Bangkok wins next week, it's certainly something to re-examine. But for right now, I don't know any argument that should put 0-2 teams above 2-0 teams.


We (Komodo) just beat the Lightning in game 2. We deserve to be ranked ahead of them.
 
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really should wait to do rankings or you have to look at past seasons to determine where the teams fall. 2 games for some of the newer teams just isn't enough to go on to say they are ready to represent us vs some of the top seeds in EE. Like I said before, this is about the league, not everyone's individual teams.

This should be about putting us in the best position to win the tournament. Just because a team can win in SE Asia doesn't mean they will match up well vs other regions. Take ESL. We have a dominant record vs this league, but in tourney's it's eehhh. I personally think Bandar, a team we historically beat more often than not, is a better tournament team then us. It's not all about comparing our teams to each other to say who's better. We aren't ranking you so you can say your the 5th best team in the league. We are ranking you so we can kick eastern europes ass. It shouldn't be about the rank, but beating whoever you have to face. Put your team pride aside for a second and grab the SE Asia Pride flag people.

It's SE Asia vs EE
Not Bandar Vs ESL. Or Komodo vs Bangkok. Or Winona vs Tokyo.

SE Asia vs Eastern Europe
Edited by HurricaneBear on Jun 25, 2009 06:17:45
Edited by HurricaneBear on Jun 25, 2009 06:16:24
 
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Originally posted by HurricaneBear
really should wait to do rankings or you have to look at past seasons to determine where the teams fall. 2 games for some of the newer teams just isn't enough to go on to say they are ready to represent us vs some of the top seeds in EE. Like I said before, this is about the league, not everyone's individual teams.

This should be about putting us in the best position to win the tournament. Just because a team can win in SE Asia doesn't mean they will match up well vs other regions. Take ESL. We have a dominant record vs this league, but in tourney's it's eehhh. I personally think Bandar, a team we historically beat more often than not, is a better tournament team then us. It's not all about comparing our teams to each other to say who's better. We aren't ranking you so you can say your the 5th best team in the league. We are ranking you so we can kick eastern europes ass. It shouldn't be about the rank, but beating whoever you have to face. Put your team pride aside for a second and grab the SE Asia Pride flag people.

It's SE Asia vs EE
Not Bandar Vs ESL. Or Komodo vs Bangkok. Or Winona vs Tokyo.

SE Asia vs Eastern Europe



well said HB
 
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Originally posted by fool
Originally posted by ICRockets

On tradition alone, you're gonna have a problem with teams like Komodo and 3KW above teams like the Garudas and Lightning, but I made the list with a very simple principle that if you're 0-2 you're not getting ranked above a 2-0 team under any circumstances. This isn't set in stone, and if a team like 3KW loses and Bangkok wins next week, it's certainly something to re-examine. But for right now, I don't know any argument that should put 0-2 teams above 2-0 teams.


ANL and KG both killed you guys by 50+ points, yet you've got yourself higher than them on your list? Also, when looking at a limited number of games won or lost, you have to consider the quality of the competition... yeah we're 0-2, but if you played the same two teams we did, you'd be 0-2 as well, and vice versa if we played the teams you beat. I know you guys are worried your team will get left out again in the inter-conference contest, but using hyperbole and trying to inflate your team's standing just makes you look ridiculous. It's much better for the league if we have accurate rankings, as it provides for more competitive, entertaining games, and gives meaning to the contest. What fun is it if we allow the Rampage to be a top 15 team, just to see them get totally blown out by the competition. It's much better if we seed you guys around #20 or so and actually give you a chance to come back with a win.

No offense intended here... just trying to shed some reality on the situation. You guys are improving, and remember, being a marginal team in Pro is still better than being a champion in AAA.


I don't really disagree with anything here (except the point about preseason games we lost, since we don't actually try in the preseason), but I was told to make a list so I made it as best I could using the information we currently have available to us. I'm 100% completely behind the final list being after we've played 6 games, and I'm more than 100% confident that such a list will be better than mine. But I didn't have 6 games to go on, so I made do with what I had.

Is it make do or make due? That's a weird phrase.
 
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Originally posted by g-bay-be
1. ESL/BLPP
2. BLPP/ESL

3. Singapore Marauders/ Louisiana Screamin Pelicans
4. Louisiana Screaming Pelicans/Singapore Marauders

5. Pa Dong/Sumatra Sting/Manila Warlords
6. Sumatra Sting/Pa Dong/Manila Warlords
7. Manila Warlords/Sumatra Sting/ Pa Dong

8. Cambodia Mountain Men
9. Bangkok Tweetys
10. Okinawa Leathernecks

11. Duluth Bulldogs/Krungthep Garudas/Singapore Buddhists/Bangkok Lightning
12. Krungthep Garudas/Singapore Buddhists/Duluth Bulldogs/Bangkok Lightning
13. Singapore Buddhists/Bangkok Lightning/Krungthep Garudas/Duluth Bulldogs
14. Bangkok Lightning/Duluth Bulldogs/Singapore Buddhists/Krungthep Garudas

15. Singapore Flames

16. Komodo Dragons/Vanuatu Headhunters
17. Vanuatu Headhunters/Komodo Dragons

18. Buffalo Rampage/Winona Warriors/Anchorage Northern Lights
19. Winona Warriors/Anchorage Northern Lights/Buffalo Rampage
20. Anchorage Northern Lights/Buffalo Rampage/Winona Warriors

21. Three Kingdom Warriors/Surabaya Poison Dart Frogs
22. Surabaya Poison Dart Frogs/Three Kingdom Warriors

23. Quahog Drunken Clams/Tongduchon Cowboys/Tokyo Hellfighters
24. Tokyo Hellfighters/Quahog Drunken Clams/Tongduchon Cowboys
25. Tongduchon Cowboys/Tokyo Hellfighters/Quahog Drunken Clams/


Fuck the arguing and lets go off of this.
 
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Originally posted by sirallan
Originally posted by g-bay-be

1. ESL/BLPP
2. BLPP/ESL

3. Singapore Marauders/ Louisiana Screamin Pelicans
4. Louisiana Screaming Pelicans/Singapore Marauders

5. Pa Dong/Sumatra Sting/Manila Warlords
6. Sumatra Sting/Pa Dong/Manila Warlords
7. Manila Warlords/Sumatra Sting/ Pa Dong

8. Cambodia Mountain Men
9. Bangkok Tweetys
10. Okinawa Leathernecks

11. Duluth Bulldogs/Krungthep Garudas/Singapore Buddhists/Bangkok Lightning
12. Krungthep Garudas/Singapore Buddhists/Duluth Bulldogs/Bangkok Lightning
13. Singapore Buddhists/Bangkok Lightning/Krungthep Garudas/Duluth Bulldogs
14. Bangkok Lightning/Duluth Bulldogs/Singapore Buddhists/Krungthep Garudas

15. Singapore Flames

16. Komodo Dragons/Vanuatu Headhunters
17. Vanuatu Headhunters/Komodo Dragons

18. Buffalo Rampage/Winona Warriors/Anchorage Northern Lights
19. Winona Warriors/Anchorage Northern Lights/Buffalo Rampage
20. Anchorage Northern Lights/Buffalo Rampage/Winona Warriors

21. Three Kingdom Warriors/Surabaya Poison Dart Frogs
22. Surabaya Poison Dart Frogs/Three Kingdom Warriors

23. Quahog Drunken Clams/Tongduchon Cowboys/Tokyo Hellfighters
24. Tokyo Hellfighters/Quahog Drunken Clams/Tongduchon Cowboys
25. Tongduchon Cowboys/Tokyo Hellfighters/Quahog Drunken Clams/


Fuck the arguing and lets go off of this.


i'm fine with this list, but if it gets tweaked after 6 games that's fine by me too
 
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If you still have one too many teams take Tokyo off the list,
 
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Originally posted by kenyon1977
If you still have one too many teams take Tokyo off the list,


Don't give up yet...you've got 4 more games to make some progress and get in.
 
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I agree 100%. If anyone wants to stroke their ego you can surely do so by saying you are in the league with the best interleague record. We just beat a 14-2 team from EEPL in the hazy but are fine being ranked 15th. This is all about what is best for SEAPL and we believe we will tear up whoever comes against us at #15. Rep the league man we are fans of each of you for this shit. SEAPL pride bro. Let's do this. Originally posted by HurricaneBear
really should wait to do rankings or you have to look at past seasons to determine where the teams fall. 2 games for some of the newer teams just isn't enough to go on to say they are ready to represent us vs some of the top seeds in EE. Like I said before, this is about the league, not everyone's individual teams.

This should be about putting us in the best position to win the tournament. Just because a team can win in SE Asia doesn't mean they will match up well vs other regions. Take ESL. We have a dominant record vs this league, but in tourney's it's eehhh. I personally think Bandar, a team we historically beat more often than not, is a better tournament team then us. It's not all about comparing our teams to each other to say who's better. We aren't ranking you so you can say your the 5th best team in the league. We are ranking you so we can kick eastern europes ass. It shouldn't be about the rank, but beating whoever you have to face. Put your team pride aside for a second and grab the SE Asia Pride flag people.

It's SE Asia vs EE
Not Bandar Vs ESL. Or Komodo vs Bangkok. Or Winona vs Tokyo.

SE Asia vs Eastern Europe


 
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so we're done with the pissing contest right? Lets finalize the thing already
 
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