I was really referring to the LBs only need capped vision statement. Which, in itself really isn't unorthodox... really commonplace I'd say. I think that's what most people do.
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Originally posted by Kellysmash
Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by Kellysmash
Sep 29, 2008 15:09:49
I play in a lower league than you... I don't have the Bucks to buy my Boosts... but I do disagree w/ some of it.
Heres examples of my LB catching and taking Down RB that are better than me
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1124360
Your LBs are Safeties... I can't believe that w/ that Low strength that your not getting beat up by Combo and Power Backs.
I have less than a 3:2 Speed to Agility and have soft-capped strength a while ago... and my guy is doing great
Well you play in a level-appropriate league regardless. You better believe that my guys aren't getting beat up by power backs, in fact they make bigger plays more often on them then other linebackers.
Congrats on your LB doing ok but you still aren't getting FF, PD, Sacks, Ints, and TFL numbers like my guys. Not even in the same stratosphere and I am playing against much better competition. What is really to disagree with at this point. . . seriously.
The last guy to try to poke holes in this said I wasn't getting any sacks with my guys. That is all he could come up with. So I fixed my AI so that he was blitzing more than 0% of the time, and now he is a pass rush monster on top of everything else.
I remember this thread, as soon as I read the guide and saw the results Rob was getting I knew that something had to be wrong w/ the sim. I mean come on, an LB w/ 40 Strength & 50 Tackle should not take down an RB w/ 90 Strength.
Originally posted by Kellysmash
Sep 29, 2008 18:09:49
You got to think thats something wrong w/ the system when LBs that have the strength of common CBs... (infact it sounds like your LBs are just CBs w/ a little extra Tackling and less Catching/Jumping) are making plays against RBs with 40 to 50 in the strength field. In reality, 2 of those LBs would be crashed and maybe the 3rd one would trip up such an RB. Glad u found a flaw in the system and exploited it...
This is why I don't spend my money on this.
Either there was a nerf for these builds a season ago or RB builders read the thread and figured out that if they build up their Strength they'll be breaking hundreds of Tackles. Robs LB are in the Mid 40s, ofcourse their successful... most 40ish players are successful or else they start over. But yes, LB Makers, following the early advise did work once; but not anymore... now that advise should be placed in the FS Zone. Powerbacks are on the rise and if you want to stop them, you need strength. Speed of mid 80, Agility / Stren / Vision should be about equal; mid 60s; Tackling can still stay at the 50s. Toss in some Jumping & Confidence and you'll be successful & avoid the LB SAs until high levels (wish I knew this back then).
LBs certainly don't need 60 strength. 50 is fine, even up in the lvl 40s and lower levels need even less. What does need more emphasis now is tackling once you're past lvl 25. I took it to 60 on both of my guys and it solved the power back problem for the most part.
Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by Kellysmash
Sep 29, 2008 15:09:49
I play in a lower league than you... I don't have the Bucks to buy my Boosts... but I do disagree w/ some of it.
Heres examples of my LB catching and taking Down RB that are better than me
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1124360
Your LBs are Safeties... I can't believe that w/ that Low strength that your not getting beat up by Combo and Power Backs.
I have less than a 3:2 Speed to Agility and have soft-capped strength a while ago... and my guy is doing great
Well you play in a level-appropriate league regardless. You better believe that my guys aren't getting beat up by power backs, in fact they make bigger plays more often on them then other linebackers.
Congrats on your LB doing ok but you still aren't getting FF, PD, Sacks, Ints, and TFL numbers like my guys. Not even in the same stratosphere and I am playing against much better competition. What is really to disagree with at this point. . . seriously.
The last guy to try to poke holes in this said I wasn't getting any sacks with my guys. That is all he could come up with. So I fixed my AI so that he was blitzing more than 0% of the time, and now he is a pass rush monster on top of everything else.
I remember this thread, as soon as I read the guide and saw the results Rob was getting I knew that something had to be wrong w/ the sim. I mean come on, an LB w/ 40 Strength & 50 Tackle should not take down an RB w/ 90 Strength.
Originally posted by Kellysmash
Sep 29, 2008 18:09:49
You got to think thats something wrong w/ the system when LBs that have the strength of common CBs... (infact it sounds like your LBs are just CBs w/ a little extra Tackling and less Catching/Jumping) are making plays against RBs with 40 to 50 in the strength field. In reality, 2 of those LBs would be crashed and maybe the 3rd one would trip up such an RB. Glad u found a flaw in the system and exploited it...
This is why I don't spend my money on this.
Either there was a nerf for these builds a season ago or RB builders read the thread and figured out that if they build up their Strength they'll be breaking hundreds of Tackles. Robs LB are in the Mid 40s, ofcourse their successful... most 40ish players are successful or else they start over. But yes, LB Makers, following the early advise did work once; but not anymore... now that advise should be placed in the FS Zone. Powerbacks are on the rise and if you want to stop them, you need strength. Speed of mid 80, Agility / Stren / Vision should be about equal; mid 60s; Tackling can still stay at the 50s. Toss in some Jumping & Confidence and you'll be successful & avoid the LB SAs until high levels (wish I knew this back then).
LBs certainly don't need 60 strength. 50 is fine, even up in the lvl 40s and lower levels need even less. What does need more emphasis now is tackling once you're past lvl 25. I took it to 60 on both of my guys and it solved the power back problem for the most part.
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Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by Darren McFadden
Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by Darren McFadden
bah I basically agreed with the premise of the original post, yet had enough sense to softcap strength and tackling at some point. Do I feel sorry for the people who got destroyed by power backs because they built one dimensional players?
No.
Its the softcap and switch approach that has killed performance for LBs more than anything else. I gave them the frame for their house and when they went to build the rest of their house out with 1/4'' drywall, they bitched about the frame. Go figure.
It's even worse than that though, people saying that you have to have speed to 68 or even 71 or whatever before you stop working on it? I mean that can work great I'm sure if you do it right and have the right team and situation. But if you have 3 LBs on your team that are level 40 with 100 speed and 30 tackling and you're going to complain?
My 46 LBs didn't start taking speed to the 3rd cap until around level 42-44. These aren't DEs where you can concentrate on only a couple of categories.
I'm so glad you pointed this out... Yes Speed, Agility and Vision are the cornerstones of a LB but there are other attributes (not SA's) that deserve a little more attention with SP at times other than just training. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out, just watch the sim. I guess if you were just looking for a cookie cutter build advice for LBs, you misread the beginning pages of this thread and assumed Rod meant to keep tackling to 35 for the life of your LB...thats just plain silly.
Originally posted by Darren McFadden
Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by Darren McFadden
bah I basically agreed with the premise of the original post, yet had enough sense to softcap strength and tackling at some point. Do I feel sorry for the people who got destroyed by power backs because they built one dimensional players?
No.
Its the softcap and switch approach that has killed performance for LBs more than anything else. I gave them the frame for their house and when they went to build the rest of their house out with 1/4'' drywall, they bitched about the frame. Go figure.
It's even worse than that though, people saying that you have to have speed to 68 or even 71 or whatever before you stop working on it? I mean that can work great I'm sure if you do it right and have the right team and situation. But if you have 3 LBs on your team that are level 40 with 100 speed and 30 tackling and you're going to complain?
My 46 LBs didn't start taking speed to the 3rd cap until around level 42-44. These aren't DEs where you can concentrate on only a couple of categories.
I'm so glad you pointed this out... Yes Speed, Agility and Vision are the cornerstones of a LB but there are other attributes (not SA's) that deserve a little more attention with SP at times other than just training. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out, just watch the sim. I guess if you were just looking for a cookie cutter build advice for LBs, you misread the beginning pages of this thread and assumed Rod meant to keep tackling to 35 for the life of your LB...thats just plain silly.
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Originally posted by voltageaav
LBs certainly don't need 60 strength. 50 is fine, even up in the lvl 40s and lower levels need even less. What does need more emphasis now is tackling once you're past lvl 25. I took it to 60 on both of my guys and it solved the power back problem for the most part.
if you want a better all around Linebacker then str to 60 is good.
LBs certainly don't need 60 strength. 50 is fine, even up in the lvl 40s and lower levels need even less. What does need more emphasis now is tackling once you're past lvl 25. I took it to 60 on both of my guys and it solved the power back problem for the most part.
if you want a better all around Linebacker then str to 60 is good.
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Originally posted by Mightyhalo
Why is my 40 strength LB getting pancaked?
because you were listening to this season 6 advice?
Why is my 40 strength LB getting pancaked?
because you were listening to this season 6 advice?
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has anyone noticed their LB getting pushed off in pass coverage? I had my LB with about 52 str and even though his agility is over 75 (with VA bonus) he would really get beat by a TE with much less agility, not much Route Run or Quick Cut SA, but that had over 75 str.
I bumped str with some of my SPs from boosting to try to combat this.
I bumped str with some of my SPs from boosting to try to combat this.
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Originally posted by Rutang
has anyone noticed their LB getting pushed off in pass coverage? I had my LB with about 52 str and even though his agility is over 75 (with VA bonus) he would really get beat by a TE with much less agility, not much Route Run or Quick Cut SA, but that had over 75 str.
I bumped str with some of my SPs from boosting to try to combat this.
more likely a coverage distance issue.
has anyone noticed their LB getting pushed off in pass coverage? I had my LB with about 52 str and even though his agility is over 75 (with VA bonus) he would really get beat by a TE with much less agility, not much Route Run or Quick Cut SA, but that had over 75 str.
I bumped str with some of my SPs from boosting to try to combat this.
more likely a coverage distance issue.
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Still relevant and a build that hasn't been nerfed in 8 seasons.
Also, for the haterz http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2162092
Also, for the haterz http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2162092
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Haha my S.S. destroys your kingdom of dong dirty apes in AAA. he also capped str first. give it a fucking rest.
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Absolutely no hating involved when I own you bro. open your eyes. (now go on some long winded, stupid rant about whatever)
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310777&pbp_id=10242261 pwned. he capped str first. way to run with a fullback retard. look how he destroys blockers. Look how he doesn't just run into them and get blocked. at least sack impact ALMOST got as many TFL's as my S.S. did last season.
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310777&pbp_id=10242261 pwned. he capped str first. way to run with a fullback retard. look how he destroys blockers. Look how he doesn't just run into them and get blocked. at least sack impact ALMOST got as many TFL's as my S.S. did last season.
You take this game super serial.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310777&pbp_id=10242261 pwned. he capped str first. way to run with a fullback retard. look how he destroys blockers. Look how he doesn't just run into them and get blocked. at least sack impact ALMOST got as many TFL's as my S.S. did last season.
You take this game super serial.
Last edited Mar 4, 2009 15:39:35
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Originally posted by baumusc
Originally posted by UnderDogs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310777&pbp_id=10242261 pwned. he capped str first. way to run with a fullback retard. look how he destroys blockers. Look how he doesn't just run into them and get blocked. at least sack impact ALMOST got as many TFL's as my S.S. did last season.
You take this game super serial.
Originally posted by UnderDogs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310777&pbp_id=10242261 pwned. he capped str first. way to run with a fullback retard. look how he destroys blockers. Look how he doesn't just run into them and get blocked. at least sack impact ALMOST got as many TFL's as my S.S. did last season.
You take this game super serial.
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