Warrior General Games

Originally posted by tjsexy82
Originally posted by Vincent Neal

Originally posted by Dolphan9954


Originally posted by Buckeyes33



i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

24 is phenominal, by realistic standards. People just keep expecting a sack a game, or some nonsense.

You're wrong. Realistic standards take into account the level of the opponent.

How many sacks do you think an NFL DE would get against a high school OT? Because if realism means anything, that's how many sacks a lvl 40 DE should get when lined up against a lvl 26 OT. But no, you and everyone else screams bloody murder when somebody gets 10 sacks in a game, even though it may be perfectly realistic given the opponent.

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but that doesn't happen in the NFL!!!!!

Fucking idiots.

Originally posted by AngryDragon
post 300 and DEs still suck IMO.

Yup.

Again: It's taken a retarded amount of time for this to get fixed. All defensive linemen should be reimbursed their flex for this season as a sign of some amount of customer service.

Originally posted by AngryDragon
three seasons and DEs still suck IMO.

fyp

I'm hoping that whatever "fixes" and "tweaks" that are being tested will be put in this season, but I'm seriously not holding my breath.

Originally posted by PDO
Originally posted by Maddoc

Originally posted by PDO


Originally posted by Dolphan9954



Originally posted by Buckeyes33




i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

Originally posted by tjsexy82
Originally posted by Vincent Neal

Originally posted by Dolphan9954


Originally posted by Buckeyes33



i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

24 is phenominal, by realistic standards. People just keep expecting a sack a game, or some nonsense.

You're wrong. Realistic standards take into account the level of the opponent.

How many sacks do you think an NFL DE would get against a high school OT? Because if realism means anything, that's how many sacks a lvl 40 DE should get when lined up against a lvl 26 OT. But no, you and everyone else screamed bloody murder when somebody got 10 sacks in a game, even though it was perfectly realistic given the opponent.

He also doesn't take into account that sacks are the only way DEs can affect pass plays, or that GLB has more plays per game than the NFL... and a few other things...

Fuck DEs.

The biggest problem is that the voices that are heard are the ones that complain. So while there was never really anything wrong with DEs/OTs other than terrible builds the noise created by those being beaten like redheaded stepchildren filled Borts ear until he finally changed it making DEs insignificant in the current game.

Originally posted by Ken1
Originally posted by PDO

Originally posted by Maddoc


Originally posted by PDO



Originally posted by Dolphan9954




Originally posted by Buckeyes33





i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

You're making shit up as per usual.....

Originally posted by Ken1
Originally posted by PDO

Originally posted by Maddoc


Originally posted by PDO



Originally posted by Dolphan9954




Originally posted by Buckeyes33





i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

You always maintained people were saying that, but I don't remember hearing ANYONE who said speed should be the highest stat and I told you so back then. Everyone was saying that a pass-blocking OT should have agility and blocking as highest. You didn't get that then and apparently you don't get it now. Nobody said speed was most important.

You were the one arguing that strength and blocking are most important and should dwarf everything else. But notice that Bench Press isn't the main thing teams look at when drafting franchise LTs. They really do look very seriously at agility drills.

As it stands right now:

DE's need 100 agility, 90 speed, 90 strength, 10 in First Step, TV, Shed Block, 60 vision (gotta pass vision checks that the OT doesn't), 60 in confidence (get pancaked once and you're in for a long game), 60 tackling (powerbacks... can't be missing tackles!)

OT's need:

100 strength (it's higher than the DE lol!), 100 blocking, 10 in Protector if they're an LOT, 60 agility, 48 speed.

.... the problem looks pretty obvious to me.

Originally posted by PDO
Originally posted by Ken1

Originally posted by PDO


Originally posted by Maddoc



Originally posted by PDO




Originally posted by Dolphan9954





Originally posted by Buckeyes33






i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

You're making shit up as per usual.....

Uh, no. Stop projecting.

Originally posted by Ken1
Originally posted by PDO

Originally posted by Maddoc


Originally posted by PDO



Originally posted by Dolphan9954




Originally posted by Buckeyes33





i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

It was because LOTs thought they could get by with 30 Speed and 50 Agility, and just pump that Strength up for Pancakes.

They were apparently so hung up on pancakes that they ignored that LOT's final SA was a boost to Blocking, Speed, and Agility. Seriously, it's not bloody rocket science.

Originally posted by Ken1
Originally posted by PDO

Originally posted by Ken1


Originally posted by PDO



Originally posted by Maddoc




Originally posted by PDO





Originally posted by Dolphan9954






Originally posted by Buckeyes33







i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

You're making shit up as per usual.....

Uh, no. Stop projecting.

He's right. Nobody was saying speed was most important. People were saying 25 speed is woefully inadequate. There's a big difference.

Originally posted by Ken1
Originally posted by PDO

Originally posted by Ken1


Originally posted by PDO



Originally posted by Maddoc




Originally posted by PDO





Originally posted by Dolphan9954






Originally posted by Buckeyes33







i dont know why people are bitching now. all it is, is that DEs are more realistic. they aren't getting 74 sacks a season. the best are getting maybe 40 now against good teams in a good league.

look at USA Pro, the leader is on pace for like 24. that is pretty good imo

Over half of which took place in a single game. Swing and a miss.


This is pretty much exactly why the D-Line got fucked in the ass in the first place, people flip out over high stats without looking at where they came from.

There was NEVER anything wrong with the DE/OT interaction before OT's got boosted for no apparent reason. DE's would rape shitty OT's, and were still able to be shut out be good ones. But Ken1 got really loud and Bort listened to the loudest instead of any amount of logic.

Now you're slandering me. There was no realism in the DE/OT interaction that existed. There will be improvements to the pass rush, but don't expect to see stratospheric numbers, because ridiculous numbers were, in fact, coming from relatively even matchups.

And I wasn't the only one really loud. The game was about sacks, first and foremost. DE supporters were saying that to prevent that OT's should have to have Agility and Speed as their highest stats.

There was a ton wrong with a line interaction that turned into a footrace. The changes that will be made will still not allow it to be a footrace, but instead give someone with the tools to shed a block a much better chance not to be immediately re-engaged (which is why block shedding hasn't worked well enough).

You're making shit up as per usual.....

Uh, no. Stop projecting.

Projecting what?

Nobody has ever said an OT needs 3 capped speed. Agility? Well, yeah... that makes sense. They need to have balance and footwork. And yeah, having 48 speed (zomg) isn't that insane, especially when you consider how many more attributes the DE needs.

How about this, lets all sit here and wait for Ken1 to find ONE POST where someone, not Ken1, says that OT's should have speed as their highest attribute and is serious.

One post Ken1.

C'mon, you can do it.

I'll even get off your case.

If EVERYONE was saying it, it should be really easy.

they should at least make the DE able to hurry qb's pretty often like in real life.