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Originally posted by Thunderoo


Theology is and should always be a massive discussion, if you're not challenging your beliefs then you musn't have very strong convictions.

Your assertions here hold no water. They sound very definitive. Yes they do. But on who's authority should 'theology always be a massive discussion' ? When, who and where was that a requirement? Sounds more like an opinion to me. Matter of fact, that's all that your assertion is, an opinion.

'if you're not challenging your beliefs then you mustn't have very strong convictions' ... i have tested the world's theories and science against God's wisdom and found them lacking for my life. I don't agree with the line of logic you take there. I think you just like to read your own words. Perhaps that is the small solace you gain from a life without true peace and joy. I pray you come to see the truth and lay down your hostility to God. You ask us to open our eyes and see the world's truth? I ask you to open your 'spiritual eyes' and see God's. How 'bout that for a change? What most non-believers fear is that God is real and that you will have to submit your will to His. That is very intimidating. Or at least that is what the 'enemy' wants you to believe. The truth is, heh, that the truth will indeed set you free. Free from the trappings of a decadent, sinful and depraved world.

I am what most would recognize as a 'born-again' Christian. For my entire adult life, i renounced God. I was an atheist. A devout atheist. I studied all manner of philosophy, astronomy, physics, history, anthropology, psychology etc, et. all in my search for understanding. It all failed. From 1989 to 2004, i lived a slowly decaying spiral into madness. The answers and philosophies without God in my life led to a massive depression. That all changed when some Christians did their work for God's kingdom and reached out to me.

Jesus saves brother. It's real.

Originally posted by Guy Dixon
LET ME IN DAMN CHRISTIES!

I'm not a Christie, i'm a Jesus-Freak. Get it right. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Thunderoo
Originally posted by Jimmy Walmart


if you need to get it off your chest, then fine.

The bible is not up for debate and GOD makes that clear, and we dont have to answer to you or anybody else about what we believe, you keep believing you are right and we are wrong, no problem! But one day and it will happen, you my friend will have to answer a question, and it does'nt matter what you think, GOD has said it and thats , that. We dont get a vote in the matter, it is set in stone, for GOD can not lie!

As for this forum, it is a place to get away from the everyday talk about how bad christians are, how we are pushing are beliefes on you, and we dont listen to what the world believes, well quess what, we are of GOD, and you cant be of to MASTERS, you will always hate one, and love the other, WHO DO YOU SERVE? GOD BLESS, and still praying for you....


See, fundamentalist Christian forum. Outside of America the amount of Christians that take the bible literally are in the minority.

Theology is and should always be a massive discussion, if you're not challenging your beliefs then you musn't have very strong convictions. I strongly urge you to take a course in evolution, and while taking it try to ignore all religious arguments against it. The fact of the matter is that reality challenges your beliefs not just myself and others. From what I've read all you've done to reconcile these problems with is cling to the bible and a belief in a literal interpretation.

I know you know that the bible was entirely written by men, inspired by God but still, written by men. Men with their agenda's, prejudices and foibles. To claim the entire bible is directly the word of God is to completely ignore the above fact.

+2

Those arguments behave grandly but ultimately fail in their logic.

You guys are buying into logic that leads nowhere, yet you question our faith? That's absurd. God is real, He is the creator of all. He inspired men to write the Bible to be our guide.

You are all so deceived. Open your eyes. You argue against the holy wisdom of Our Father with logic that wouldn't win in a high school debate team match.

I ask you again, by what authority are you claiming that "Theology is and should always be a massive discussion"? That is an opinion, based mostly on a personal challenge.

And how is this, "if you're not challenging your beliefs then you musn't have very strong convictions" assertion supported?

"The fact of the matter is that reality challenges your beliefs not just myself and others" I need some examples here, to show you just how wrong you are, or for that matter, challenge the Bible directly, so we can have at least some semblance of a productive conversation.

I will tell you something about reality. Reality, in my world, daily, hourly, is living with hope and love. Reality is not some fabrication of mathematical logic perpetrating a hypothesis. I see God when i look outside, i thank Him every time i take a breath, or eat food, or pet my cat. I don't need Newton, Hawking or Einstein to understand the world and my role in it.

Originally posted by Jimmy Walmart
NO THANKS! I dont need to open my mind to your ungodly veiws.

and the bible is the unchangable word of GOD sent by GOD to GOD fearing men, who held the bible to something more than just a book. But I will give it to you like this from the words of GOD sent through his servent DAVID, a man after GODs on heart.

PSALM 119:89, FOREVER O'LORD THY WORD IS SETTLED IN HEAVEN.

that means, it is from heaven, and it is from GOD. so you keep your belief system and I will keep my belief in GOD , and his word.....

I said don't use logical fallacies. Do you not see that you've used the premise that the bible is true, to then prove that the bible is true?

As a Catholic I don't believe that the story of creation is literally true but I believe that there is truth in it. There is a massive difference. Oh and well done on calling most of the worlds Christians 'ungodly'. More evidence that this forum is clearly for fundamentalist Pentacostals and not Christians as a whole.

Jimmy I'd like to ask you a personal question: How in depth is your understanding of evolution?

Originally posted by Thunderoo

I said don't use logical fallacies

You convey that your opinions are facts. That is a manner of logical fallacy. Your logical processes are merely suppositions without support.

I belong to a 5K member church who understands as i do about God, the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus. We are in agreement that the Bible is right and true.

I see God's truth in my life on an every day basis. I don't need books and scientists to tell me the speed of light, the composition of an atom or anthropological evolution based on hit-or-miss carbon-dating to get through my day. I do however, require God's grace and guidance. And the Bible tells me a lot about that.

Originally posted by atom871
anthropological evolution based on hit-or-miss carbon-dating to get through my day.


I have no problem with people taking spiritual guidance from the bible and implementing in their lives, however, I do think that it is completely irrational to disregard modern science for the sake of religion, something this comment clearly reveals. Would you seek medical attention if you had cancer or would you rely on God to cure you?

I really, really hope that your entire argument in not accepting evolution is slightly more than "carbon dating is flawed".

Nope, my argument lies in my belief that the Bible is the living breathing Word of God. It is more than text, paper, ink and glue. Spending time meditating in the Bible is one of the most important things i do every day. I wish i was more disciplined about that. But i digress....

Doctors were put here by God to assist us with our health. I would use good judgement and visit a doctor should my health deem it necessary. I don't disregard modern science. I just don't place its value at anywhere near the relevance that i used to or relatively speaking, as high as i regard Biblical and Godly wisdom. Not even close there.

The point i am trying to make is........ I don't need to understand particle physics to succeed in my life. I do need God's grace and wisdom, every single day. And the more i lean on it the better my day goes, every day. I practice this, every day. It's real. When i fail to put God first, things suck. When i lean on Him, everything is so much better. Daily. Every day. It's simply awesome. My life has changed, i am changed and it is marvelous.

Life is more about love and hope than atomic-bond strength ratios and missing evolutionary links. How does that help you cope when a co-worker stabs you in the back, or the boss assign you a task you feel is beneath you? How do i go home and not kick the dog/cat/wife/children when i return home from a bad day? Where do i find the strength to help with chores at home when i am tired from work? These issues and their resolutions depend on where my heart is not if my brain can grasp the infinite string theory of quantum physics and the associated math.

Originally posted by Bloodfart
can God make a forum so dull he cannot bear reading it?

if not his believers can

No one fucking cares about your anti-religion movements everyone.

I'm quite agnostic and I don't fucking care if people want to believe in Christianity (a religion based on faith, not facts, so your arguments against it are futile)

Let them do what they want without being berated everywhere they mention their religion.

Originally posted by jeffgarcia
No one fucking cares about your anti-religion movements everyone.

I'm quite agnostic and I don't fucking care if people want to believe in Christianity (a religion based on faith, not facts, so your arguments against it are futile)

Let them do what they want without being berated everywhere they mention their religion.

Mate I'm Catholic, my main beef is with people calling this a Christian Forum. And my second point has been that a literal belief in the bible requires you to discard most of modern science as crap (a view I find extremely strange if you don't have even a working understanding of the theories you are claiming to be false).

There is so much scientists don't know. Even the brightest physicists can't explain how their science's laws are totally invalid on the other end of the spectrum. The same laws of physics that work on the atomic level absolutely do NOT apply on the Macro level. Hence, you have string-theory physics. It's a theory, hypothesis.

I am basing my hope and future in the hands of my Creator, whom i experience daily (as does everyone, whether they choose to see it or not) not science.

Thunderoo, your scientific principles are as broken as you claim my spiritual ones are. For me, in my life, i know they work. I experience it daily. Since i have come to know Jesus, accept God as the creator and submit my will to His, my life has changed, Remarkably. Jesus saves brother. I choose to believe the testimonies of the four synoptic gospels as truth in my life. I see evidence of God when i walk outside and experience His creation (the entire universe). I experience His truth in my heart as conscience.

If you believe that God can create the universe, why is it a stretch to believe some of the unusual happenings in the Bible? You are willing to speculate on the possibility of worm-holes, that man evolved from monkeys and FTL travel but balk that Jesus rose from the dead or Jonah survived the belly of a whale?

Originally posted by jeffgarcia
No one fucking cares about your anti-religion movements everyone.

I'm quite agnostic and I don't fucking care if people want to believe in Christianity (a religion based on faith, not facts, so your arguments against it are futile)

Let them do what they want without being berated everywhere they mention their religion.

There is a a lot of fact in the Bible. The Old Testament serves as a very accurate historical account of Israel. The writings in the the New Testament have been put through the wringer as well. The Bible is VERY factual.

One interesting fact is theprophecies Jesus fulfilled in his lifetime. The Old Testament is rife with predictions of a savior. The conditions and form taken could only be one man. Jesus Christ. Some say 300 conditions were met upon his existence on earth. Some say less, but the eight major prophecies being fulfilled by one man has a probability of 1 in 10 (to the 17th power - sorry, don't know how to post exponents)
(http://www.carm.org/bible/prophecy.htm).

Jesus lived, died and rose again. The evidence is in creation. The sun, the moon, the stars, the very ground you walk on. God is in your heart, every time you lie, cheat or steal, don't you feel it? That is the light of conscience, God put that there too.

Oh, one more thing.

God is in tha interwebs too and he's watching.

What's religion?