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Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA


Thats what you would need to do to make a de into a run stuffer, build him like a DT, which in either case is not very effective.

This is not entirely true.

Strength, agility, and tackling, yes it is. The only difference is in the run stopping SAs, as the DTs have better ones.

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA
Originally posted by tautology

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA



Thats what you would need to do to make a de into a run stuffer, build him like a DT, which in either case is not very effective.

This is not entirely true.

Strength, agility, and tackling, yes it is. The only difference is in the run stopping SAs, as the DTs have better ones.

Strength agility and tackling, agreed. My disagreement is in whether this can be effective

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA

Originally posted by tautology


Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA




Thats what you would need to do to make a de into a run stuffer, build him like a DT, which in either case is not very effective.

This is not entirely true.

Strength, agility, and tackling, yes it is. The only difference is in the run stopping SAs, as the DTs have better ones.

Strength agility and tackling, agreed. My disagreement is in whether this can be effective

Thats the point, to be a run stopping DE you have to be bad in general, which is why they should ever only be used in a 3-4 formation, if at all.

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA
Originally posted by tautology

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA


Originally posted by tautology



Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA





Thats what you would need to do to make a de into a run stuffer, build him like a DT, which in either case is not very effective.

This is not entirely true.

Strength, agility, and tackling, yes it is. The only difference is in the run stopping SAs, as the DTs have better ones.

Strength agility and tackling, agreed. My disagreement is in whether this can be effective

Thats the point, to be a run stopping DE you have to be bad in general, which is why they should ever only be used in a 3-4 formation, if at all.

And my point is that you can be a very effective run stuffer as a DE AND still be a very effective pass rusher...and not bad in general at all. Strength is under-rated as an important attribute for DE.

Not in higher up leagues, I have strength soft capped and if I could I would take it back and put my points elsewhere.

currently lvl 15 with 5SP to spend

Strength: 60
Speed: 49.43
Tackling: 20
Agility: 59.23
Stamina: 20.62
Vision: 14.8
Confidence: 14.8

so far i've managed 2 sacks 3 hurries when pass rushing and 1 missed tackle when set to power - as a back up. yes i placed CE into pass rushing as i wanted to up shed block and first step asap, as both are very versatile SAs. i'll work on getting stron base up after the 2 former SAs are up high enough

i'm training tackle with speed on intense but i might swap soon and pump SP into tackle til he's 35+ and then move onto the SAs.

i'm glad for xuchilles's tip on a balanced build. so far i'm happy with what this guy has done!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=830958

lvl 25 LDE and one of the defensive stars of the conference. str and agility are about 10 pts higher than speed and he's applying pressure on the running game as well as the QB

regular
40 hurries
30 sacks
16 TFLs
1 PD

playoffs
6 hurries
7 sacks
2 TFLs
and no missed tackles coming into the championship game

seems like Change Direction and Shed Block are a LDE's best friend! the next thing i'm doing with him is getting vision soft capped and getting jump as high as possible - my DCo loves him but would like to change some EQ over to favour speed for better pressure on the QB

i think those hurries could have been something more substantial but i'm thinking of shifting EQ to raise agility. thoughts?

agility, im an Antininja fan.

but you're build is closed so I really can't say...

Originally posted by Dudly
agility, im an Antininja fan.

but you're build is closed so I really can't say...

closed for now..... championship game coming up

as a D lineman you just cant overpower an O lineman and i dont want to here about a level 4 DT with 48 strength doing well in D leagues. agility is key to breaking blocks for all Dline positions. for a LDE i would be interested to see one built like this:

Strength to 68 cap
Agility to 68 cap and all EQ
Speed to 48 cap

wont be a good pass rusher(too slow) but might be good against the run. im not sure how much strength helps in breaking blocks or if it is more effective if you also have high agility.

I'll be moving my guy to LDE this coming season (even better pass rusher coming to the squad.) It'll be interesting to see how this plays out:

Player Attributes
Physical Attributes Football Skills
Strength: 63.05 Blocking: 17.47
Speed: 57.25 Tackling: 35.36
Agility: 86.68 Throwing: 9
Jumping: 15.46 Catching: 8
Stamina: 40.47 Carrying: 8
Vision: 35.33 Kicking: 9
Confidence: 33.34 Punting: 10

Originally posted by sdspawn
I'll be moving my guy to LDE this coming season (even better pass rusher coming to the squad.) It'll be interesting to see how this plays out:

Player Attributes
Physical Attributes Football Skills
Strength: 63.05 Blocking: 17.47
Speed: 57.25 Tackling: 35.36
Agility: 86.68 Throwing: 9
Jumping: 15.46 Catching: 8
Stamina: 40.47 Carrying: 8
Vision: 35.33 Kicking: 9
Confidence: 33.34 Punting: 10



You should do good from the LDE spot...I think right tackles are generally not as well built as left tackles so you might even see your stats improve.

Originally posted by Beware94
as a D lineman you just cant overpower an O lineman and i dont want to here about a level 4 DT with 48 strength doing well in D leagues. agility is key to breaking blocks for all Dline positions. for a LDE i would be interested to see one built like this:

Strength to 68 cap
Agility to 68 cap and all EQ
Speed to 60 cap

will be a good pass rusher(just fast enough) but might be good against the run. im not sure how much strength helps in breaking blocks or if it is more effective if you also have high agility.

Fixed your post.

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by Beware94

as a D lineman you just cant overpower an O lineman and i dont want to here about a level 4 DT with 48 strength doing well in D leagues. agility is key to breaking blocks for all Dline positions. for a LDE i would be interested to see one built like this:

Strength to 68 cap
Agility to 68 cap and all EQ
Speed to 60 cap

will be a good pass rusher(just fast enough) but might be good against the run. im not sure how much strength helps in breaking blocks or if it is more effective if you also have high agility.

Fixed your post.

pretty close to what i've built but str to 60 only (originally soft capped to 48 and let it grow as i levelled up), i don't intend on adding more either. agility to 68 will be next on the agenda - gonna be interesting how he fairs in AA